From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Recentish C-s M-y change Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2020 01:46:30 +0100 Message-ID: <87a6txigm1.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87r1na4tyu.fsf@gnus.org> <87tus6tj7s.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5143"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 29 01:47:26 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ku3Ab-0000yo-MD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 01:47:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49810 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ku3Aa-00049E-Ol for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2020 19:47:24 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37290) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ku39q-0003kH-T7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2020 19:46:39 -0500 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:38380) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ku39o-0003Jl-5G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2020 19:46:38 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Xfwf6nmHzBDA7DEzIYIl0c7yr4paHllaUp7qwtQSUwM=; b=eKs9/kU1UcbonBygwCjcFFkhNu GcNgyQW88YRY954iQDZyUfZ/6NkIazPPvKzV2nov9fAjt/qkqTCVaol+WvqfYWq1b3ZT3MIzzDrxW 9F6yjqMbJfOZ77ObIgLJ4IhzhetuuUwwT3t1vsJohceNIQDC4IRfKxpTABjwVxfsBBrg=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ku39k-0003Gi-1q; Tue, 29 Dec 2020 01:46:34 +0100 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEX27dzLsaVyUVD/ //+KoilhAAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAd0SU1FB+QMHQAsGAzfYo8AAAFYSURBVCjPVZHBaoNAEEBn gyu0pwRcSXvLn1ioHnoy4gjxVA8KyVfk0kJupmQFe2uJAfcrO+Mm0c5hZ58zzL5dATDrsAYbArN+ PUI+AWMu8QR+R8Dd5XjEEAM7oNNHRFuiae2tDTDqz/EIJoV7uKadQN8GoMphHLjnHmT93JwG+NlK v17rJwZZPHkQvvshT8PCW4KE7O0VIAwL4dHHRRRxWykAHCnUAAUtjpBLl1UXwwngsOzshRZFu/VN Q9k7iKFJWVk5+KNVw5RTjvFw7VSrQHDFJdBKdUggcn7EzJim05gbAnMx1yDRttrZfUcT0irzK4aA QfDQjZ5zimES/8ABAdQSUAIM6QEI9uCzIqYeePO9LPkv5CYr2oPOe4DUfcy/VoeN3p2p4rpRuWo3 TVOTWxJ+bqtva4OoI2Qbe56EWhpzup3r3Q1Emo06s4dkBPGRsNk1yuS6/QPGEG84uJVNNQAAACV0 RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMC0xMi0yOVQwMDo0NDoyNCswMDowMBtQNcoAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6 bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjAtMTItMjlUMDA6NDQ6MjQrMDA6MDBqDY12AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: The French Impressionists's _The Fruit of the Original Sin_: "My Guardian Angel" In-Reply-To: <87tus6tj7s.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (Juri Linkov's message of "Mon, 28 Dec 2020 10:45:31 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, GAPPY_SUBJECT=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262042 Archived-At: Juri Linkov writes: > This has been discussed many times, and the most promising solution is > to add a single variable that will define whether the user prohibits > changing the definitions of traditional keys. I don't think that's a feasible solution -- some changed keybindings are fine (because nobody are using them) and some are annoying. The only way to find out which is which is to try and see whether somebody says "eep". And it seems like we've gotten three "eep"s on this one, so I think it's time to admit that this one didn't work out, and restore the old keybinding. (And move the new functionality to some new key binding.) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no