From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Vim project helps in Uganda, Emacs shall be next Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2021 04:27:37 +0100 Message-ID: <87a6rmgrpy.fsf@zoho.eu> References: <877dn22b0k.fsf@zoho.eu> <87y2fh275f.fsf@zoho.eu> <87tuq5241c.fsf@zoho.eu> Reply-To: Emanuel Berg Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27281"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:SM3sc7cfEk8mwT7lfxJkqYW7aMY= Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 02 04:28:43 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lGviE-0006zI-U2 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2021 04:28:42 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55154 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lGviE-0006g7-04 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 01 Mar 2021 22:28:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39948) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lGvhP-0006fp-EQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Mar 2021 22:27:51 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:60318) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lGvhK-00008J-8f for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 01 Mar 2021 22:27:50 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lGvhI-0005cN-Cw for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 02 Mar 2021 04:27:44 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:128333 Archived-At: Re: Vim project helps in Uganda, Emacs shall be next Jean Louis wrote: >> My own definition of being a veteran with respect to >> technology is that you are a veteran after using it >> actively for 10 years. > > Only if editor wars are involved. Or OS wars or similar. There were also Lisp wars (SBCL and all, right?), in the past. With Lisp papers appearing at universities all the time and all. Long before my time but I read about it, sounds like fun. Lisp is so easy to - hm, not port - reimplement. Unix wars are loong in the past as well. Except for OpenBSD vs the World, maybe... ;) >> This definition IMO holds for a lot of things. >> Doing martial arts from age 20 to 30 most definitely makes >> you a veteran, repairing bikes for a decade and you are >> a pro (often you are as good or better than the actuals >> professionals by then) ... and after 10 years, you should >> even understand your own wife pretty well, ey? > > Buhahhaa. Is better making research and understanding many > different people, not focusing on one only. It is illusion > of social statuses. Better to do research than do muay Thai, bikes, and your ... uhm, wife? Interesting. What kind of research would that be? Because to me it sounds pretty broad actually, and not just the last part hoho. > We have virtual social statuses, and real social statuses. > Both are illusions, often deceptions, and often frauds. muay Thai ring = real hierarchy. Battlefield = real etc. (In Berlin perhaps some of it was felt, when they heard the roar from the Red Army? what do you think?) Bikes, in terms of technology, real hierarchy, in terms of people, it is all bout the money. But isn't that how today's hierarchy is defined anyway, formally at least? In terms of coolness maybe a custom, again, Berlin steel fixie beats a Taipei carbon road bike, still... > veteran from Wordnet: Well, words. I'm talking about what defines formally a US Air Force veteran, and offered my own definition of for example a Linux veteran. > So when I say "veteran" I refer to definition (3) above, one > that has been in battles, not just serving without battles. 19 year old veterans ... battle or not, to me that's a contradiction in terms. The word, I mean. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573 https://dataswamp.org/~incal