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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:271243 Archived-At: SK> Could you briefly elaborate on the capabilities of "GPT-3+vscode" and w= hy SK> you think it is an Emacs killer? =E2=80=9CIf the people believe there=E2=80=99s an imaginary river out there= , you don=E2=80=99t tell them there=E2=80=99s no river there. You build an imaginary bridge over the= imaginary river.=E2=80=9D -- Nikita Kruschev The Copilot brouhaha takes the premature optimization and pointless speculation endemic to emacs-devel to another level.