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From: Kevin Vigouroux via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: "larsi@gnus.org" <larsi@gnus.org>,
	"21695@debbugs.gnu.org" <21695@debbugs.gnu.org>,
	"rms@gnu.org" <rms@gnu.org>
Subject: bug#21695: 25.0.50; Change most occurrences of `setq' in Emacs manual to `customize-set-variable'
Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2021 11:54:07 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a6kuhtmo.fsf_-_@laposte.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR10MB5488754B4EFEB4C540701EFFF3CE9@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 2 Sep 2021 17:08:10 +0000")

In my opinion, the issue is that the language (ELisp) should always be
able to express things, in a general way. But here, the risk is to not
be able to understand how things work without digging into the
“Customize” interface or to be overwhelmed by a ton of code. At first
sight it is easier but the path is already paved. The alternative I was
talking about and which is recommended in the ELisp manual: each user
option should indicate how to proceed (without using too many tricks).
Otherwise, I don't see much point in learning Emacs Lisp anymore (you
might as well refer to the Customize interface entirely, a kind of
“black box”). In short, what is proposed is in my opinion
counterproductive.





  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-03  9:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-10-16 21:50 bug#21695: 25.0.50; Change most occurrences of `setq' in Emacs manual to `customize-set-variable' Drew Adams
2015-10-16 23:57 ` Drew Adams
2021-05-26 22:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-29 19:05 ` Drew Adams
2021-08-29 22:36   ` Drew Adams
2021-08-29 22:52     ` Drew Adams
2021-08-29 22:58       ` Drew Adams
2021-08-31  3:06     ` bug#21695: 25.0.50; Change most occurrences of `setq' in Emacs manual to `customize-set-variable'? Really? Richard Stallman
2021-08-31  3:43       ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-31 16:15         ` bug#21695: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-08-31 16:15       ` Drew Adams
2021-09-02  6:53         ` Kevin Vigouroux via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2021-09-02 17:08           ` Drew Adams
2021-09-03  9:54             ` Kevin Vigouroux via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2021-09-01  3:07       ` Howard Melman
2021-09-02  3:42         ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-02  6:53           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-02 17:08             ` bug#21695: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-02 17:17               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-05  3:42                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-05  3:43             ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-06 17:43               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-08  3:23                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-08  7:03                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-09  3:11                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-09  6:52                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-09  7:43                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-09 11:44                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-09 12:07                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-09 12:12                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-09 12:15                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-09 12:40                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-09 12:47                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-09 13:04                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-09 13:10                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-09 14:27                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-10 10:15                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-10 14:26                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-12  8:23                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-12  8:57                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-12  9:30                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-12  9:37                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-12  9:54                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-12 10:11                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-12 10:21                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-12 21:26                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-12 22:11                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-13  7:04                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-13  9:11                                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-13  9:18                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-13 13:00                                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-13 13:56                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-13 12:17                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-13 11:31                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-13  8:03                                                       ` martin rudalics
2021-09-13  9:14                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-13 12:36                                                           ` martin rudalics
2021-09-13 12:52                                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-15  9:27                                                               ` martin rudalics
2021-09-15 10:00                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-15 20:13                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-16  6:56                                                                   ` martin rudalics
2021-09-18  0:30                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-18  7:34                                                                       ` martin rudalics
2021-09-18  9:20                                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-13  1:17                                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-10  3:41                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-10 13:49                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-09-13  1:17                                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-02 17:08           ` bug#21695: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-05  3:42             ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-04  3:38           ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-01 12:48       ` Augusto Stoffel
2021-09-02  3:38         ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-02  6:56           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-02 17:07           ` bug#21695: [External] : " Drew Adams

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