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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:276464 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > GitHub is inherently proprietary, so yes, but what > > about this specific feature is different. > > GitHub has grave moral faults and has done great harm to the free > software community, but saying it is "proprietary" is not well > defined. That is because GitHub is not a program -- it is a service. > The distinction of free vs proprietary is defined for programs, but it > is not defined for services. > > [...] > > However, I think we're talking about a different kind of feature here. Yes, that was phrased inadequately, but I do think that the term "proprietary" is right here, because this is not about GitHub-the-service but the editor that is actually running in the browser. Apparently, you can even download extensions, which can also be non-free. The documentation[0] is supposed to explain the licensing situation, but I cannot find a clear statement. And since VSCode is a propitiatory fork of "Code" (the editor maintained by Microsoft, published on GitHub under the MIT license), I assume that the in-browser-VSCode ("Codespaces") is propitiatory too. [0] https://docs.github.com/en/github/site-policy/github-terms-for-additional-products-and-features#codespaces -- Philip Kaludercic