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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282922 Archived-At: =C3=93scar Fuentes writes: >> Yes. In fact, some small businesses buy those PCs and install the free >> software and firmware onto them. > Installing GNU/Linux and a Free BIOS does not make a machine 100% Free. Indeed it doesn't, but the devices Richard referred to are 100% free with the free firmware and software installed. > Then if the BIOS/UEFI/IME were read-only the FSF would be fine with them > being proprietary? Yes. The ME is undesirable for other reasons, but if the firmware and ME were read-only they would not pose freedom issues, as they would be indistinguishable from hardware.