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X-Sonic-MF: Original-Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic306.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 30 Dec 2021 11:35:29 +0000 Original-Received: by kubenode513.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 18e70a5c6741bfefa6da1f4c84b97534; Thu, 30 Dec 2021 11:35:25 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Thu, 30 Dec 2021 06:20:03 -0500") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19551 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.189.82; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic306-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -1 X-Spam_score: -0.2 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.2 / 5.0 requ) DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283645 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: > But first, I think it is important to note that this is *not* clear-cut. > Siddhesh Poyarekar made this point on the Glibc mailing list this > summer: To the FSF it seems to be clear cut, because they are relying on the advice of their lawyers to hold up in court. So I don't think we are going to do much to change their minds. > Second, it is also important to note that lawyers have no formal > expertise in how free software projects work or should best be > managed. They have no expertise in assessing the significant > drawbacks that this brings to a free software project, and how that > should be weighed against the legal advantages they perceive (or not) > with having a copyright assignment. How many drawbacks a free software project might get is moot, if it's not (or can't be kept) legally free software. We should not let some vague definition of "drawback" or "weight" interfere.