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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284315 Archived-At: >>>>> Robert Pluim writes: >>>>> On Thu, 06 Jan 2022 17:40:05 +0800, Po Lu said: Po> Eli Zaretskii writes: >>>> How about ignoring all of that, and asking the user where to >>>> save his customizations when he tries to save them for the >>>> first time? >>> How do you define "the first time", exactly? >>> Users can use several different systems and/or user accounts. >>> Some of them start a session and keep it running for long times, >>> others start very short sessions for specific jobs, then exit >>> Emacs. A user could start Emacs for the first time in his/her >>> life, or he/she could be a veteran Emacs users with many >>> customizations. The definition of the "first time" should >>> reasonably support all of these use patterns, and possibly >>> others as well. Po> I think it can be reasonably assumed to be the "first time" if Po> there is no custom file already set, and no custom-set-variables Po> form in the init file. > And custom-set-faces. Me too +1. I neither use c-s-f nor c-s-v. > If we do it that way, I (and other old > grouches like me) can ignore this issue until I decide to do > something about it. That will be never for me :-)