From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tassilo Horn Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey 2022 - design Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 06:49:56 +0200 Message-ID: <87a6bfa1bf.fsf@gnu.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5939"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: mu4e 1.7.21; emacs 29.0.50 Cc: Timothy , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed May 18 06:57:14 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1nrBkH-0001Ko-BD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 18 May 2022 06:57:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47962 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nrBkF-00048r-UZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 18 May 2022 00:57:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39630) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nrBhN-00036H-D3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 18 May 2022 00:54:13 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51388) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nrBh0-0001hC-Ev; Wed, 18 May 2022 00:54:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:In-reply-to:Date:Subject:To:From: References; bh=VNOAHk1DXC7Fu7c9efVjOFCIFTAbwDM90YKC1u6NYRQ=; b=WbIHAtH626R3sE iz7mG2xs/Csp7z+uspXAUoIZlnMg6o+7VEItNCAygSFleQq4BWJKiw+iTPVizkxPi2sZCa3vtgczS HLVDOUvEbp+HUuPwUcd5FT4HtyderXTyC6G48wL252y+aWvuNceyCgXB5gRTiFjd3dvrIBRr9baYD DornxP+oPCfmXafjUMau0zzh6th93QOVg8Eid7tskCisvMKkJChbG9UyDr+6JWtUi06/krlxkHGDM hmFrcogROC/yACH2kG4Etob5aUCSEWnkj7vJLJBNaEeoYCxIUWiplrdK8q1S7YprXoXWN7vtf5mDy K4rOsrwUp3y0/Bfj3uAQ==; Original-Received: from auth2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.228]:50983) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1nrBgu-0002yK-Ub; Wed, 18 May 2022 00:53:46 -0400 Original-Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailauth.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B6D27C0054; Wed, 18 May 2022 00:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Original-Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 18 May 2022 00:53:43 -0400 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvfedrheekgdekkecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpehffgfhvfevufffjgfkgggtsehttdertddtredtnecuhfhrohhmpefvrghsshhi lhhoucfjohhrnhcuoehtshguhhesghhnuhdrohhrgheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepud ejtdehuddvleffjeekteegvdehleehvdeufefhueekkeekhedvgfeggeffvefgnecuvehl uhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepthhhohhrnhdomh gvshhmthhprghuthhhphgvrhhsohhnrghlihhthidqkeeijeefkeejkeegqdeifeehvdel kedqthhsughhpeepghhnuhdrohhrghesfhgrshhtmhgrihhlrdhfmh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: ib2b94485:Fastmail Original-Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Wed, 18 May 2022 00:53:42 -0400 (EDT) In-reply-to: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:289906 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> FWIW, I'd select use-package in that question + package.el (for >> deletion) and auto-package-update (missing!) for updates without >> having to manually go through the *Packages* buffer. > > Then maybe we should distinguish between the "backend" (package.el > here) and the UI layer on top of it (use-package, list-packages, > auto-package-update, ...)? Yes, that makes sense. And probably the backend isn't even interesting (or even known) from a user's POV. Bye, Tassilo