From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Suppressing native compilation (short and long term) Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2022 16:09:35 +0200 Message-ID: <87a66d6lsw.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87bkqxf1ij.fsf@tethera.net> <8335c9dkyf.fsf@gnu.org> <83tu4odez7.fsf@gnu.org> <871qrrpkgx.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <834jwnbi6c.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtafnun5.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <83sfk6ahty.fsf@gnu.org> <8735c6b0wo.fsf@gnus.org> <87y1ty9lha.fsf@gnus.org> <87lepym6ok.fsf@trouble.defaultvalue.org> <877d1i9h7k.fsf@gnus.org> <83edvqyr3q.fsf@gnu.org> <874jwl8e4p.fsf@gnus.org> <87ill16t3a.fsf@gnus.org> <87edvp6nnf.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="10861"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , rlb@defaultvalue.org, david@tethera.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, akrl@sdf.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 03 16:12:07 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ofMAw-0002cM-Vj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 16:12:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52532 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofMAw-0008Gg-0B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 10:12:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52220) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofM8n-0006XA-JZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 10:09:53 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:51848) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofM8m-0005nR-20; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 10:09:53 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=rx94XCkZ+grRJH6FkVhsMq5NxIDUIlak3vT7G551qhI=; b=YlFoIVC/i7TzuyBHxaGoGEBw3R WlDVz3LIOXDnhEZvZBVNVyA8C/Ai6Ch6UOCiXUmzAd2+F9xUqc04apguxFC4+MXoQhvex+xiBYwe8 NA154nqpFHZK9YgPeOyeoxeBB0Jak6xEqRBYDiDm2Sq2K/ogrFkLFNs0ARDjATa2ULgI=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=downe) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ofM8V-0001W2-V6; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 16:09:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 03 Oct 2022 09:42:18 -0400") Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAG1BMVEX8/fq916KjoqLV 1tJhX15BPj2AlmwcGRn///8T+e+jAAAAAWJLR0QIht6VegAAAAd0SU1FB+YKAw4IExI1A6wAAAGB SURBVDjLndLPbuMgEAZwB0j22qb7AGRwlCvxtOrVJVi+RmwQ16pP0GLQvH6dbtXWuH+0+x3nJz7Q iKr6ryxgfaVgL3mDTQOo34BZaABq3NfabBDegauGc41qgZXW+Dq8/CIVfqj8JBw1IkN9oZopCNtK I+zhBGZawMzDgxIGalt/2/zDq/D8sB8LZtFayJoDgJrO2SH+WtsVEdkZ3KIVlC0V0JpbbutxPoPN duVsl/oCxPGUhHOhZTPoc3c0AXUoqhxZMiaApWKJlAMFE1JdQvaeKHol+/LEOA7R9Y/Li/JEyCPR 41JOYOVz6rKLbCiA+ZQ6H+vqbidnd5y8u2aeCrApbsndDLvrAvoh5Rzx5Hk7BWi5StHJ3/xQbHe9 ESnGY7MoIKlG7WI7KFEAmTsZokpzSOyqiUiwNAUEp7YRyJWQKanuySZ5U57wwdAQbJehrKLkhzBu xpVV41/7c4Y4WyLlF3iawPnXAuhulKH6NAhv213dz5nv3wFf8xew+vc8A29VcwMyPdIGAAAAJXRF WHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIyLTEwLTAzVDE0OjA4OjE5KzAwOjAweTCunwAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpt b2RpZnkAMjAyMi0xMC0wM1QxNDowODoxOSswMDowMAhtFiMAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Billy Bragg's _Brewing Up With Billy Bragg_: "The Saturday Boy" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:296750 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > AFAICT for the case (A), we *do* want to save trampolines for the next > time around, and those users probably do want to use native compilation > (e.g. they would likely set `package-native-compile` to non-nil), just > not the deferred kind, so the var name is a bit odd for them. The trampolines are very fast to make, so creating them once per Emacs session doesn't seem like a problem. If that turns out to be an issue, we can tweak the variable.