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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:310661 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > > > Helmut Eller writes: > > >> So has nobody yet written a front-end for Emacs that runs in a web > > >> browser? > > In a strategic moral sense that would be a bad direction to go. Most > users use a nonfree web browser, or a mostly free but nasty browser > such as Chromium. The ones that are free are noncopylefted. To > change Emacs into something people usually run under a browser would > be an enormous change for the worse in regard to giving users freedom. The topic is already off from the original topic but because standards are so open the user is free to choose which browser to use. One benefit is that even if the user is forced to use non-free browsers that they still can run free software running inside said browser. In theory building with pure GTK already allows Emacs to run in a browser (GTK broadway backend).