From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 72b1379f079: Increase `emacs-lisp-docstring-fill-column` to 72 Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2024 12:57:20 +0100 Message-ID: <87a5oh7obj.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <170687730547.552.9673193819426474611@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20240202123506.0CEC7C0EFF5@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <87mssjm0ac.fsf@yahoo.com> <87il36mevf.fsf@yahoo.com> <87il368cqh.fsf@dataswamp.org> <87a5oim1ql.fsf@yahoo.com> <86cyte3p4t.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0ht7uao.fsf@dataswamp.org> <86ttmp3i6s.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33984"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:FREKtcMtjveKIEbmdQDSgKEdMaw= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 03 13:14:09 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rWEuP-0008cr-Oh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2024 13:14:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rWEuG-0002bs-S3; Sat, 03 Feb 2024 07:14:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rWEeK-0006VV-H5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2024 06:57:32 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rWEeI-0000qG-14 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2024 06:57:31 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rWEeG-0008cl-Fi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Feb 2024 12:57:28 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 03 Feb 2024 07:13:59 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:315823 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>>> I'm less opposed to this change in itself than to how it >>>> was fast-tracked into Emacs by one individual citing an >>>> inconclusive discussion a year removed. >>> >>> I'm surprised that you are opposed to something that has >>> close to no effect on the doc strings. >> >> It will have an 8 char or +12.5% effect on the doc strings. > > No, it won't, because we fill our doc strings mostly "by > hand", disregarding the fill-column setting. Okay, a misunderstanding here. Because it doesn't matter how the editing happens or how the doc string is produced, a maximum of 72 allowed chars compares to 64 as described. It is the extra capacity that is counted, not the actual length of all docstrings currently found all over the documented Elisp world. If one writes a 10 char docstring, one still has the extra space at 72 compared to 64, one just didn't use it. That's another thing. But of course the extra space will be used! -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal