From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Sean Whitton Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: emacs-30 baaf97ce1a1: ; Fix some ungrammatical uses of "allows to" Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2024 20:03:54 +0100 Message-ID: <87a5gtal45.fsf@zephyr.silentflame.com> References: <86h6b1ewop.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13645"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Aug 30 21:04:25 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sk6v2-0003Na-Me for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 21:04:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sk6uk-0002S3-AA; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 15:04:06 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sk6ui-0002Rf-IP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 15:04:04 -0400 Original-Received: from sendmail.purelymail.com ([34.202.193.197]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sk6uh-0003k7-3n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 15:04:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=BSVjh15Ry7X5bfGFzc8BMTl52hk2LMldPd/xxI5ORLv2l7sy+pw7a1wcieSowgQ/g6RbyJ+hCIdWMiDiD+/cORQwzNqhMb/ReQ9XEP0P5hGm2YwIa44do+5LDk8sOCF+k751uz0L15lRoNlPSUMoXQs7/sLb2O7PrJWfwmDzU2Z8calXBBRejxYsCvnh/HX8w3kweuVqBXbC1yinZj9S3KjxD16pOw5e98Ij8wRIJyLY7Ndsj7UuHbtPJa55zpEcNzKK5QrR9dbVnpXW8dq7LgDnthxlX1QTp0AQKhDX6BZ5nbhjhg8ZFjnIRR/o9bbmAQ9HafMimWewJO+q6wj08w==; s=purelymail3; d=spwhitton.name; v=1; bh=BGl4MhM/PCPWlEcCpYU4b5MC899AZ4GjiP46x8yybbo=; h=Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha256; b=hbsE2RvT4VkhfD0sHivJLDnhJ1yGXVKPgixaaz9/HLN5+Agd/unvfNreJKLEJqoIqd7f0t/EL6eVwJsErDTFnEPN8BdMXg62pCmLDc/Cl+sCQ53cv1hq9D7D5fSku6RfQxFmXwSJzXTfkIBm3hELhIaJyVHq05JWSpYfAEsBBTg30eETyUMRzeZhvx33cMyfX3mk+JpqGn0NziOtmPc48sUjSz3Ymqt00kTI3a3VR7WFd4/Jvg/qNJeHbm4iBL7xj9webAKRU7nd3kHjWAE1TNbK8IONBowvK8fseUU4hvtCs7ruU2kIGPFC9FjQo2WYALKOnWydtZFGmxj2l7mgog==; s=purelymail3; d=purelymail.com; v=1; bh=BGl4MhM/PCPWlEcCpYU4b5MC899AZ4GjiP46x8yybbo=; h=Feedback-ID:Received:Received:From:To:Subject:Date; Feedback-ID: 20115:3760:null:purelymail X-Pm-Original-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Received: by smtp.purelymail.com (Purelymail SMTP) with ESMTPSA id -857870539; (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384); Fri, 30 Aug 2024 19:03:56 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: by zephyr.silentflame.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id E8F62940F2D; Fri, 30 Aug 2024 20:03:54 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Fri, 30 Aug 2024 18:14:59 +0000") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=34.202.193.197; envelope-from=spwhitton@spwhitton.name; helo=sendmail.purelymail.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:323213 Archived-At: Hello, On Fri 30 Aug 2024 at 06:14pm GMT, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > No, Eli, as a native English speaker, I can definitively say "allows to" > is wrong. It's a fairly subtle point, but instantly marks its writer as > a non-native speaker. I think you could have written this message with a kinder tone, Alan, given, as you acknowledge, it's a subtle point for people to have to learn. Anyway, it does indeed mark out writing as coming from a non-native user of English. You see it relatively commonly in software contexts, probably because lots of programmers are not native English speakers. -- Sean Whitton