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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:326147 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Philip Kaludercic >> Cc: jb@jeremybryant.net, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, >> monnier@iro.umontreal.ca >> Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2024 10:44:16 +0000 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> >> From: Philip Kaludercic >> >> Cc: Jeremy Bryant , rms@gnu.org, >> >> emacs-devel@gnu.org, >> >> Stefan Monnier >> >> Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2024 18:47:31 +0000 >> >> >> >> It would also make sense to make the Emacs manuals available for easy >> >> download >> > >> > The Emacs manuals are part of the release tarballs, so they are >> > already easily donwloadable: just download the release tarball, unpack >> > it, and take all the files from the info/ subdirectory. >> >> While true, I think it is worth making it easier especially for people >> who are not familiar with TeXinfo and TeXinfo tooling. > > What Texinfo tooling is involved? The release tarball includes the > generated Info files, so Texinfo doesn't have to be installed or used > (which is the primary reason why we include the Info files in the > tarball in the first place). Ah, I missed that the tarball includes .info files (though that does make sense). The issue is that off the top of my head, I wouldn't know what to do with these either. That is not unsolvable, but I do think that it involves a non-trivial process. Having a `info-install'-ish command as alternative way to fetch and manage the Emacs is something I would have appreciated in the past.