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Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some experience with the igc branch Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2024 22:26:11 +0000 Message-ID: <87a5cnfj8t.fsf@protonmail.com> References: <87o713wwsi.fsf@telefonica.net> <87ldw7fwet.fsf@protonmail.com> Reply-To: Pip Cet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31722"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Helmut Eller , Andrea Corallo To: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 23 04:23:47 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1tPZ2p-000881-K0 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 23 Dec 2024 04:23:47 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tPZ1q-00019L-Cy; Sun, 22 Dec 2024 22:22:46 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tPUP1-0008U4-AH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2024 17:26:23 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-10631.protonmail.ch ([79.135.106.31]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1tPUOy-0007An-Co for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Dec 2024 17:26:23 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail3; t=1734906376; x=1735165576; bh=waRELE12FD8Z/a5+cvbya23JQtPS8LtVDbPLmCCr3AQ=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID: Message-ID:BIMI-Selector:List-Unsubscribe:List-Unsubscribe-Post; b=uCDv8Z5quHxxrDcZixlJNJaGKTF/JkxvQRgyTwnIiCsrGTbphrKwDZuuQNkAs9EHr FyFb3RF7e8VPTSeqnY7LWSg59jYK/G/HujZqQ9XQePR7fRgoo5DoWEO5TRTyPsbcup dO9Nrcz1OC/FwVM5iT2vhejr1QStQQv6yheoCCpL76MKLjkWweA/vVpuf3CNIa6olv 2QdORBiUveTRE+SKSaBl/AJbKlExDWlvgAIeGyA2huGgQWIdRAHCCI+HGTQifxw2ar QHWIngn33Gq+2ucxkrKllYQTrOaX8H98nm//OWkCO61q1CMah226KcZBPfKtvasw3L rOJwnADCCtmYw== In-Reply-To: Feedback-ID: 112775352:user:proton X-Pm-Message-ID: 52b8922e12bb0f1d745986dfcd1a71e537d2fd83 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=79.135.106.31; envelope-from=pipcet@protonmail.com; helo=mail-10631.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_CERTIFIED_BLOCKED=0.001, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 22 Dec 2024 22:22:44 -0500 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:326893 Archived-At: Gerd M=C3=B6llmann writes: > Pip Cet writes: > >> =C3=93scar Fuentes writes: >>> With igc the pauses are still there, but they much shorter and >>> predictable, they no longer distract me from thinking on what I'm >>> writing, which is a huge improvement. I suspect that some of those >>> pauses are not related to garbage collection (executing code and moving >>> data also takes time.) >> >> Quite possible. Even if it is GC, please keep in mind that MPS has many >> settings which you can play with, and it can improve things a lot. It's >> not too early to become a fan of the scratch/igc branch, but it is too >> early to reject it for performance reasons. It's a "heads you lose, tai= ls I >> win" situation, I guess. >> >>> TL/DR: now I enjoy using Emacs with this setup and I'm no longer tempte= d >>> to switch to other editors for this type of work. >> >> I think this is an important point: ultimately, it's about having daily >> drivers. We need to remove the remaining impediments for that: >> >> 1. The signal issue. I don't have a good way to fix this and make >> everyone happy, but I do have a solution which hasn't caused a crash for >> me in quite a while. It may be good enough. > > TBH, I'd have put it in already. Pushed it now. It is imperfect, but better than crashing. >> 2. no-purespace. Merging that into scratch/igc would help, well, me. >> What do others think? > > Doesn't affect me much. Well, it does cause some noise, so I thought I'd ask first. Pip