From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dan Jacobson Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: even more(1) tells you how big the file is on the first screen Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 10:34:50 +0800 Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: <878yufxgz9.fsf@jidanni.org> Reply-To: Dan Jacobson NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: main.gmane.org 1050203450 20127 80.91.224.249 (13 Apr 2003 03:10:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 03:10:50 +0000 (UTC) Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 13 05:10:45 2003 Return-path: Original-Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 194XtF-0005EE-00 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 05:10:45 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 194Xte-0003Qa-04 for gnu-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 23:11:10 -0400 Original-Received: from list by monty-python.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 194XtR-00032i-00 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 23:10:57 -0400 Original-Received: from mail by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.10.13) id 194XtO-0002wD-00 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 23:10:55 -0400 Original-Received: from main.gmane.org ([80.91.224.249]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.10.13) id 194XtN-0002mq-00 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Apr 2003 23:10:53 -0400 Original-Received: from root by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 194Xsk-0005DW-00 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 05:10:14 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: from news by main.gmane.org with local (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 194XMB-0004CC-00 for ; Sun, 13 Apr 2003 04:36:35 +0200 Original-Lines: 29 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@main.gmane.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.090008 (Oort Gnus v0.08) Emacs/21.2 (i386-pc-linux-gnu) X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1b5 Precedence: list List-Id: Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: List-Unsubscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+gnu-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:4769 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.bugs:4769 You know, I think it's bad that no matter if we are looking a giant file, or a little file, the mode line has that "Top" item, instead of some indication of percent. "Top" is more closed mouthed than an Army security officer. ---1:---F1 some_file (Fundamental)--L1--Top-- We have to move the cursor down to engage the percent mechanism. RMS, I recall, was pleased, as top was top. However, I want more for my money without budging a finger. I.e. we have just done M-x compile. Does the compile output end just below the screen where we thought it should, or does it go on for page upon page? No, don't tell me to rely on the exit condition in the modeline, and no, don't tell me to set the variable that always makes point equal the end of the compile buffer. Do instead break the dumb tradition of Top being top. Let's have emacs give some clue as to how long the file is without us having to budge from the first screen, etc. I mean even the mere wimpy less(1) and even more(1) tell you what percent you are on right there on the first screen. Ya ya, I know they are talking about lines and you are talking about screenfulls or whatever. But it is your mission, Jim, to get the info one way or the other, to the user, in the modeline, right there, first screen, no ifs ands or buts. -- http://jidanni.org/ Taiwan(04)25854780