From: Alexander Pohoyda <alexander.pohoyda@gmx.net>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, ding@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [rmail-mbox-branch]: mail-utils
Date: 09 Oct 2004 18:04:04 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <878yafj2tn.fsf@oak.pohoyda.family> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20041008234741.GA17298@fencepost>
Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> writes:
> On Sat, Oct 09, 2004 at 01:34:49AM +0200, Alexander Pohoyda wrote:
> > > The mm- stuff seems not to be intended to be gnus-specific, but rather
> > > general-purpose code for handling mime that happens to be developed as part
> > > of gnus.
> >
> > Yes, I understand the intention.
> >
> >
> > > There are probably a few dependencies on gnus that have crept in, but I
> > > presume these could be excised.
> >
> > Some mm-*.el files use quite often functions or constants with gnus-
> > prefix.
>
> Can you be more specific? I did a grep, and the dependencies seem pretty
> much restricted to a few files (e.g., mm-view.el);
Yes, there are only very few cases:
mm-partial.el:(require 'gnus-sum)
mm-partial.el: (set-buffer gnus-summary-buffer)
mm-partial.el: (gnus-request-article-this-buffer (aref header 0)
mm-partial.el: (gnus-summary-article-number))))
mm-partial.el: (setq gnus-article-mime-handles
mm-partial.el: (append (if (listp (car gnus-article-mime-handles))
mm-partial.el: gnus-article-mime-handles
mm-partial.el: (list gnus-article-mime-handles))
mm-partial.el: (run-hooks 'gnus-article-decode-hook)
mm-partial.el: (gnus-article-prepare-display)
mm-uu.el: :group 'gnus-article-mime)
mm-view.el: (autoload 'gnus-article-prepare-display "gnus-art")
mm-view.el: (run-hooks 'gnus-article-decode-hook)
My primary concern, however, is that mm- stuff is rather a MIME
parser (viewer), while rfc*.el files implement basic functions.
Wouldn't it be good to have these two things clearly separated?
If we don't separate mm- and basic MIME functions, and if we don't
move them out of gnus directory, people will continue to re-implement
basic functions.
Do you know of any good reason to have the mm-* stuff used in rfc*
files?
Anyway, we need MIME support in Rmail. Would it be correct to make
Rmail depend on file from Gnus directory? My idea is to move MIME
stuff into lisp/mail(/mime?) directory. Both Gnus and Rmail could use
these basic functions. All I propose to move, are few files:
lisp/gnus/rfc2045.el
lisp/gnus/rfc2047.el
lisp/gnus/rfc2231.el
leaving mm-* files intact. What exactly do you disagree with?
> > I would like to have a clean MIME library first.
>
> Sure, and the mm- stuff seems like the right to start from.
By "MIME library" I mean functions like
rfc2045-qp-decode-string,
rfc2231-decode-string,
rfc2047-decode-region
but not
mm-inline-partial,
mm-inline-image-xemacs,
mm-setup-w3,
mm-inline-message
> would completely silly to reimplement all of it when mm- is pretty
> close to what you want anyway.
People may have their own ideas how to use MIME, let's not force them
to use mm- as a bonus.
--
Alexander Pohoyda <alexander.pohoyda@gmx.net>
PGP Key fingerprint: 7F C9 CC 5A 75 CD 89 72 15 54 5F 62 20 23 C6 44
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2004-10-09 16:04 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-09-24 6:09 [rmail-mbox-branch]: expunge Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-09-24 7:16 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-09-24 8:21 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-09-24 9:23 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-09-24 12:03 ` Paul Michael Reilly
2004-09-25 7:08 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-03 10:40 ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-04 15:18 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-06 21:38 ` [rmail-mbox-branch]: mail-utils Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-06 21:47 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-08 23:34 ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-08 23:47 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-09 16:04 ` Alexander Pohoyda [this message]
2004-10-09 17:12 ` Stefan
2004-10-09 18:15 ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-09 18:20 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-09 21:02 ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-09 21:10 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-09 21:19 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-10 15:15 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-10 22:58 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-11 16:45 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-12 2:09 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-12 14:42 ` Juri Linkov
2004-10-12 15:03 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-12 16:05 ` Syncing Gnus with Emacs and back (was: [rmail-mbox-branch]: mail-utils) Reiner Steib
2004-10-13 1:26 ` Syncing Gnus with Emacs and back Miles Bader
2004-10-13 20:21 ` Reiner Steib
2004-10-13 22:51 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-14 7:47 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-13 14:43 ` [rmail-mbox-branch]: mail-utils Richard Stallman
2004-10-09 19:02 ` Stefan
2004-10-09 20:40 ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-11 10:36 ` Simon Josefsson
2004-10-08 16:06 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-08 23:17 ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-10 15:16 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-10 23:50 ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-11 16:45 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-11 19:01 ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-12 8:57 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-12 16:12 ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-13 14:42 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-13 18:16 ` how-many/count-matches for non-interactive use Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-15 0:26 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-15 6:28 ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-15 12:22 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-15 15:30 ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-16 13:52 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-16 21:49 ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-15 12:54 ` Stefan
2004-10-16 13:51 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-16 18:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-16 22:00 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-17 15:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-17 20:53 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-17 21:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-18 8:39 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-18 13:59 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-19 1:58 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-19 2:08 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-19 10:29 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-19 17:17 ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-20 12:01 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-19 16:46 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-19 22:08 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-21 1:45 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-21 3:22 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-20 1:14 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-20 1:35 ` David Kastrup
2004-10-20 13:28 ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-10-20 1:27 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-21 1:45 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-21 3:08 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-22 10:47 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-22 12:54 ` Convert keyboard macros to Lisp (was: how-many/count-matches for non-interactive use) Juri Linkov
2004-10-23 13:54 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-22 17:35 ` how-many/count-matches for non-interactive use Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-22 22:22 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-23 1:53 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-23 11:32 ` John Paul Wallington
2004-10-23 18:49 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-23 20:36 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-24 17:09 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-26 3:09 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-26 8:19 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-11-02 8:53 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-24 2:31 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-24 17:09 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-25 1:53 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-26 9:05 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-25 2:53 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-26 9:04 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-25 3:08 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-24 17:09 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-23 18:49 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-25 14:04 ` Ken Manheimer
2004-10-27 10:49 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-28 4:39 ` Ken Manheimer
2004-11-02 15:48 ` Ken Manheimer
2004-11-07 3:37 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-23 18:49 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-23 19:53 ` John Paul Wallington
2004-10-23 18:49 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-21 22:13 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-23 4:48 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-23 16:03 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-18 8:32 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-17 16:07 ` Richard Stallman
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