* Key sequence M-} is not working
@ 2007-07-28 21:11 Dieter Wilhelm
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From: Dieter Wilhelm @ 2007-07-28 21:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs
Hi
When typing M-} (forward-paragraph) nothing happens, amazingly M-{
does work! The key sequence is definitively not bound by my window
manager (openbox). Unfortunately I've no clue how to proceed from
this sorry state. For any pointer I'm greatly indebted 8-).
Have a nice weekend.
Emacs is compiled from official sources:
GNU Emacs 22.1.5 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.8.20) of
2007-07-01 on debby
I'm writing from a rather bare Debian system
(shell-command "uname -a" 1) Linux debby 2.6.18-4-amd64 #1 SMP Fri May
4 00:37:33 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
--
Best wishes
H. Dieter Wilhelm
Darmstadt, Germany
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* Re: Key sequence M-} is not working
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@ 2007-07-29 8:45 ` Arjen Wiersma
2007-07-29 17:42 ` Dieter Wilhelm
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From: Arjen Wiersma @ 2007-07-29 8:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs
Dieter Wilhelm <dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> writes:
> When typing M-} (forward-paragraph) nothing happens, amazingly M-{
> does work! The key sequence is definitively not bound by my window
> manager (openbox). Unfortunately I've no clue how to proceed from
> this sorry state. For any pointer I'm greatly indebted 8-).
Well, if M-} is indeed bound when looking at C-h b, the question becomes, does
M-x forward-paragraph work and if it does, does it work on a different
keybinding?
if that is still the case, then M-} must be caught somewhere else as well...
no?
Arjen
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* Re: Key sequence M-} is not working
2007-07-29 8:45 ` Key sequence M-} is not working Arjen Wiersma
@ 2007-07-29 17:42 ` Dieter Wilhelm
2007-07-30 17:02 ` German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0? [was: Key sequence M-} is not working] Dieter Wilhelm
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From: Dieter Wilhelm @ 2007-07-29 17:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Arjen Wiersma; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs
Arjen Wiersma <core@credmp.org> writes:
> Dieter Wilhelm <dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> writes:
>
>> When typing M-} (forward-paragraph) nothing happens, amazingly M-{
>> does work! The key sequence is definitively not bound by my window
>> manager (openbox). Unfortunately I've no clue how to proceed from
>> this sorry state. For any pointer I'm greatly indebted 8-).
>
> Well, if M-} is indeed bound when looking at C-h b, the question becomes, does
> M-x forward-paragraph work and if it does, does it work on a different
> keybinding?
(forward-paragraph) <- C-x C-e
does work as expected
(global-set-key "\C-cx" 'forward-paragraph)
does also work 8-)
> if that is still the case, then M-} must be caught somewhere else as well...
> no?
True, but how and what is intercepting M-}. Could you please point to
some tools which show me what's going on here. I remember vaguely
some X utilities which are supposed to show the key sequence which one
is typing.
Dieter
--
Best wishes
H. Dieter Wilhelm
Darmstadt, Germany
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* German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0? [was: Key sequence M-} is not working]
2007-07-29 17:42 ` Dieter Wilhelm
@ 2007-07-30 17:02 ` Dieter Wilhelm
2007-07-30 17:50 ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-30 18:25 ` German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0? [was: Key sequence M-} is not working] Andrea Vettorello
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From: Dieter Wilhelm @ 2007-07-30 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Arjen Wiersma; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs
Dieter Wilhelm <dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> writes:
>
> True, but how and what is intercepting M-}. Could you please point to
> some tools which show me what's going on here. I remember vaguely
> some X utilities which are supposed to show the key sequence which one
> is typing.
I found the tool xev and it shows (below on an aterm) that there is no
"}" event when typing ALT + AltGr and }. I think I have to ask some
debian mailing list.
for M-{ (ALT + AltGr + {) it is working:
KeyPress event, serial 30, synthetic NO, window 0x1c00001,
root 0x63, subw 0x0, time 403204309, (-125,390), root:(466,410),
state 0x0, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe9, Alt_L), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes:
XFilterEvent returns: False
KeyPress event, serial 30, synthetic NO, window 0x1c00001,
root 0x63, subw 0x0, time 403205217, (-125,390), root:(466,410),
state 0x8, keycode 113 (keysym 0xfe03, ISO_Level3_Shift), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes:
XFilterEvent returns: False
KeyPress event, serial 30, synthetic NO, window 0x1c00001,
root 0x63, subw 0x0, time 403208093, (-125,390), root:(466,410),
state 0x88, keycode 16 (keysym 0x7b, braceleft), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (7b) "{"
XmbLookupString gives 1 bytes: (7b) "{"
XFilterEvent returns: False
------------------------------
not so for M-} (ALT + AltGr + }):
KeyPress event, serial 30, synthetic NO, window 0x1c00001,
root 0x63, subw 0x0, time 403316166, (-235,391), root:(356,411),
state 0x0, keycode 64 (keysym 0xffe9, Alt_L), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes:
XFilterEvent returns: False
KeyPress event, serial 30, synthetic NO, window 0x1c00001,
root 0x63, subw 0x0, time 403316752, (-235,391), root:(356,411),
state 0x8, keycode 113 (keysym 0xfe03, ISO_Level3_Shift), same_screen YES,
XLookupString gives 0 bytes:
XmbLookupString gives 0 bytes:
XFilterEvent returns: False
--
Best wishes
H. Dieter Wilhelm
Darmstadt, Germany
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* Re: German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0? [was: Key sequence M-} is not working]
2007-07-30 17:02 ` German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0? [was: Key sequence M-} is not working] Dieter Wilhelm
@ 2007-07-30 17:50 ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-30 20:34 ` German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0? Dieter Wilhelm
2007-07-30 21:19 ` Defective keyboard [was: German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0?] Dieter Wilhelm
2007-07-30 18:25 ` German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0? [was: Key sequence M-} is not working] Andrea Vettorello
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From: Peter Dyballa @ 2007-07-30 17:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dieter Wilhelm; +Cc: Emacs Mailing List, Arjen Wiersma
Am 30.07.2007 um 19:02 schrieb Dieter Wilhelm:
> not so for M-} (ALT + AltGr + }):
Defective keyboard?
Did you check with xmodmap -pk what's mapped on that key? You can
correct this with a script in for example ~/.xmodmaprc and a line like
xmodmap ${HOME}/.xmodmaprc
in ~/.xinit or such, whatever starts your X server.
--
Mit friedvollen Grüßen
Pete
Alle reden vom Wetter - die Bahn fährt nicht.
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* Re: German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0? [was: Key sequence M-} is not working]
2007-07-30 17:02 ` German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0? [was: Key sequence M-} is not working] Dieter Wilhelm
2007-07-30 17:50 ` Peter Dyballa
@ 2007-07-30 18:25 ` Andrea Vettorello
2007-07-30 20:05 ` German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0? Dieter Wilhelm
1 sibling, 1 reply; 13+ messages in thread
From: Andrea Vettorello @ 2007-07-30 18:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs
On 7/30/07, Dieter Wilhelm <dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> wrote:
> Dieter Wilhelm <dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> writes:
[...]
> I found the tool xev and it shows (below on an aterm) that there is no
> "}" event when typing ALT + AltGr and }. I think I have to ask some
> debian mailing list.
>
What's the output of "xmodmap -pke | grep -i alt"?
I suspect that in your layout at least one of the Alt (Meta) keys is
missing the Shift modifier...
--
Andrea
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* Re: German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0?
2007-07-30 18:25 ` German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0? [was: Key sequence M-} is not working] Andrea Vettorello
@ 2007-07-30 20:05 ` Dieter Wilhelm
2007-07-31 5:35 ` Andrea Vettorello
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From: Dieter Wilhelm @ 2007-07-30 20:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Andrea Vettorello; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs
"Andrea Vettorello" <andrea.vettorello@gmail.com> writes:
> On 7/30/07, Dieter Wilhelm <dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> wrote:
>> Dieter Wilhelm <dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> writes:
>
> [...]
>
>> I found the tool xev and it shows (below on an aterm) that there is no
>> "}" event when typing ALT + AltGr and }. I think I have to ask some
>> debian mailing list.
>>
>
> What's the output of "xmodmap -pke | grep -i alt"?
dieter@debby:/usr/bin/X11$ xmodmap -pke | grep -i alt
keycode 64 = Alt_L Meta_L
keycode 125 = NoSymbol Alt_L
> I suspect that in your layout at least one of the Alt (Meta) keys is
> missing the Shift modifier...
I do not quite understand, to reach the "{" on a German keyboard I do
not need a Shift key. But don't mind, I'm clueless anyway ;-).
--
Best wishes
H. Dieter Wilhelm
Darmstadt, Germany
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* Re: German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0?
2007-07-30 17:50 ` Peter Dyballa
@ 2007-07-30 20:34 ` Dieter Wilhelm
2007-07-30 22:03 ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-30 21:19 ` Defective keyboard [was: German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0?] Dieter Wilhelm
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From: Dieter Wilhelm @ 2007-07-30 20:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Dyballa; +Cc: Emacs Mailing List, Arjen Wiersma
Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> writes:
> Am 30.07.2007 um 19:02 schrieb Dieter Wilhelm:
>
>> not so for M-} (ALT + AltGr + }):
>
> Defective keyboard?
I think this might be the case. Just booted a bare WinXP system
(still have it on my machines for some tax stuff) and installed Emacs
22.1 and lo and behold neither is M-} working on Windows.
(By the way, Emacs from the official ftp server without the supporting
image dlls looks downright frightening.)
>
> Did you check with xmodmap -pk what's mapped on that key? You can
8-) thanks.
$ xmodmap -pk
...
16 0x0037 (7) 0x002f (slash) 0x007b (braceleft) 0x0ac6 (seveneighths) 0x007b (braceleft) 0x0ac6 (seveneighths)
17 0x0038 (8) 0x0028 (parenleft) 0x005b (bracketleft) 0x0ac9 (trademark) 0x005b (bracketleft) 0x0ac9 (trademark)
18 0x0039 (9) 0x0029 (parenright) 0x005d (bracketright) 0x00b1 (plusminus) 0x005d (bracketright) 0x00b1 (plusminus)
19 0x0030 (0) 0x003d (equal) 0x007d (braceright) 0x00b0 (degree) 0x007d (braceright) 0x00b0 (degree)
This look right, doesn't it?
--
Best wishes
H. Dieter Wilhelm
Darmstadt, Germany
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* Defective keyboard [was: German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0?]
2007-07-30 17:50 ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-30 20:34 ` German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0? Dieter Wilhelm
@ 2007-07-30 21:19 ` Dieter Wilhelm
2007-07-30 22:04 ` Peter Dyballa
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From: Dieter Wilhelm @ 2007-07-30 21:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Dyballa; +Cc: Emacs Mailing List, Arjen Wiersma
Thank you very much guys for the guidance.
Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> writes:
>
> Defective keyboard?
Well, my new, stylish (silver metallic), beautiful HP keyboard with
the soft touch had to give way to an old (1985), clunky, heavy and
loud IBM keyboard, ugly as hell, which I have had confined to the
cellar.
I wonder if this has some deeper ethical meaning ;-).
--
Best wishes
H. Dieter Wilhelm
Darmstadt, Germany
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* Re: German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0?
2007-07-30 20:34 ` German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0? Dieter Wilhelm
@ 2007-07-30 22:03 ` Peter Dyballa
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From: Peter Dyballa @ 2007-07-30 22:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dieter Wilhelm; +Cc: Emacs Mailing List, Arjen Wiersma
Am 30.07.2007 um 22:34 schrieb Dieter Wilhelm:
>> Defective keyboard?
>
> I think this might be the case. Just booted a bare WinXP system
> (still have it on my machines for some tax stuff) and installed Emacs
> 22.1 and lo and behold neither is M-} working on Windows.
Is MS Windows seeing }? Or any other Linux application? The xev trace
did not show the } event ...
>>
>> Did you check with xmodmap -pk what's mapped on that key? You can
>
> 8-) thanks.
>
> $ xmodmap -pk
>
> ...
> 16 0x0037 (7) 0x002f (slash) 0x007b
> (braceleft) 0x0ac6 (seveneighths) 0x007b (braceleft)
> 0x0ac6 (seveneighths)
> 17 0x0038 (8) 0x0028 (parenleft) 0x005b
> (bracketleft) 0x0ac9 (trademark) 0x005b (bracketleft)
> 0x0ac9 (trademark)
> 18 0x0039 (9) 0x0029 (parenright) 0x005d
> (bracketright) 0x00b1 (plusminus) 0x005d (bracketright)
> 0x00b1 (plusminus)
> 19 0x0030 (0) 0x003d (equal) 0x007d
> (braceright) 0x00b0 (degree) 0x007d (braceright) 0x00b0
> (degree)
>
> This look right, doesn't it?
Yes, it looks quite good. Obviously there are two ways to produce
[, ], {, or }: pressing Alt + 7, 8, 9, 0 and pressing AltGr + 7, 8,
9, 0. IMO pressing AltGr only selects already the next level.
Have you tried to press: 7, Shift + 7, Alt + 7, Alt + Shift + 7,
AltGr + 7, AltGr + Shift + 7 ? This should produce 7 / { ⅞ { ⅞. Is
the output different when you press Alt + AltGr + 7, Alt + AltGr +
Shift + 7 instead of AltGr + 7, AltGr + Shift + 7 ? If not, then
simply forget about Alt + AltGr and use AltGr only.
Do your systems have a "virtual keyboard?" Kind of an emulation that
shows which keys you press on your real keyboard? Maybe also allowing
to choose different Input Methods?
Can you get another physical keyboard?
--
Mit friedvollen Grüßen
Pete
(This space left blank for technical reasons.)
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* Re: Defective keyboard [was: German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0?]
2007-07-30 21:19 ` Defective keyboard [was: German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0?] Dieter Wilhelm
@ 2007-07-30 22:04 ` Peter Dyballa
2007-07-31 1:27 ` Problem solved [was: Defective keyboard] Dieter Wilhelm
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From: Peter Dyballa @ 2007-07-30 22:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Dieter Wilhelm; +Cc: Emacs Mailing List, Arjen Wiersma
Am 30.07.2007 um 23:19 schrieb Dieter Wilhelm:
> Well, my new, stylish (silver metallic), beautiful HP keyboard with
> the soft touch had to give way to an old (1985), clunky, heavy and
> loud IBM keyboard, ugly as hell, which I have had confined to the
> cellar.
?! Problem solved, i.e. defective HP keyboard?
--
Mit friedvollen Grüßen
Pete
Nazionalismus ist die Religion der armen Schweine
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* Problem solved [was: Defective keyboard]
2007-07-30 22:04 ` Peter Dyballa
@ 2007-07-31 1:27 ` Dieter Wilhelm
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From: Dieter Wilhelm @ 2007-07-31 1:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Dyballa; +Cc: Emacs Mailing List, Arjen Wiersma
Peter Dyballa <Peter_Dyballa@Web.DE> writes:
> Am 30.07.2007 um 23:19 schrieb Dieter Wilhelm:
>
>> Well, my new, stylish (silver metallic), beautiful HP keyboard with
>> the soft touch had to give way to an old (1985), clunky, heavy and
>> loud IBM keyboard, ugly as hell, which I have had confined to the
>> cellar.
>
> ?! Problem solved, i.e. defective HP keyboard?
Yes! Thanks again (I'd never imagined that when the ALT and ALTGR and
"}" keys are working independently though the combination not) and
sorry for my awkward success description, I'm so very happy with this
old love of mine.
--
Best wishes
H. Dieter Wilhelm
Darmstadt, Germany
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* Re: German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0?
2007-07-30 20:05 ` German keyboard event bug on debian 4.0? Dieter Wilhelm
@ 2007-07-31 5:35 ` Andrea Vettorello
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From: Andrea Vettorello @ 2007-07-31 5:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: help-gnu-emacs
On 7/30/07, Dieter Wilhelm <dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> wrote:
> "Andrea Vettorello" <andrea.vettorello@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On 7/30/07, Dieter Wilhelm <dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> wrote:
> >> Dieter Wilhelm <dieter@duenenhof-wilhelm.de> writes:
[...]
> dieter@debby:/usr/bin/X11$ xmodmap -pke | grep -i alt
> keycode 64 = Alt_L Meta_L
> keycode 125 = NoSymbol Alt_L
>
> > I suspect that in your layout at least one of the Alt (Meta) keys is
> > missing the Shift modifier...
>
> I do not quite understand, to reach the "{" on a German keyboard I do
> not need a Shift key. But don't mind, I'm clueless anyway ;-).
Yeah, silly me, i should have at least given a peak to a German
keyboard layout. (=
There's still a spurious Alt symbol on keycode 125, it should be
harmless, anyway you solved your problem...
--
Andrea
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