From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Thien-Thi Nguyen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What a modern collaboration toolkit looks like Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:32:09 +0100 Message-ID: <878x3cp5ae.fsf@ambire.localdomain> References: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1199028903 10827 80.91.229.12 (30 Dec 2007 15:35:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2007 15:35:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Eric S. Raymond" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 30 16:35:16 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1J90C1-0002ol-63 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:35:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J90Bf-0000F6-Gb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:34:51 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J90BY-0000D9-FC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:34:44 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1J90BT-0000As-Pe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:34:41 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1J90BT-0000Ag-AM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:34:39 -0500 Original-Received: from ppp-64-39.21-151.libero.it ([151.21.39.64] helo=ambire.localdomain) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1J90BT-0001uB-BM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 10:34:39 -0500 Original-Received: from ttn by ambire.localdomain with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1J9093-0001bU-KK; Sun, 30 Dec 2007 16:32:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20071230122217.3CA84830B9A@snark.thyrsus.com> (Eric S. Raymond's message of "Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:22:17 -0500 (EST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:85688 Archived-At: () "Eric S. Raymond" () Sun, 30 Dec 2007 07:22:17 -0500 (EST) And bear in mind: At the end of 2007 this is obervably *normal*. It's not that Battle For Wesnoth's collaboration toolkit is ahead of the curve -- it's that Emacs's is behind. Way, *way* behind. interesting stuff! i'm worried about speedfreak mentality, however. how does the group treat (not (connected-p 'always)) programmers? more precisely: what kind of stigmatism do such programmers endure? thi