From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dave Love Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: legal status of progmodes/sym-comp.el Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:48:12 +0000 Message-ID: <878x1ckc1v.fsf@liv.ac.uk> References: <3h7igyw31a.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8763wiw2sx.fsf@stupidchicken.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203709715 9412 80.91.229.12 (22 Feb 2008 19:48:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:48:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Glenn Morris , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 22 20:48:58 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JSdsY-00031p-Tz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:48:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSds3-00047q-Gn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:47:47 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSdry-000473-Ox for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:47:42 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSdrw-00046q-FF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:47:41 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSdrw-00046n-Am for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:47:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mxa.liv.ac.uk ([138.253.100.59]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JSdrv-0000mL-Of for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:47:40 -0500 Original-Received: from mailhuba.liv.ac.uk ([138.253.100.36]) by mxa.liv.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JSdrv-0003xC-Am; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:47:39 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=mailhuba.liv.ac.uk) by mailhuba.liv.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1JSdrv-0002pn-9c; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:47:39 +0000 Original-Received: from pc102091.liv.ac.uk ([138.253.102.91] helo=albion) by mailhuba.liv.ac.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.54) id 1JSdrv-0002pk-92; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:47:39 +0000 Original-Received: from dlove by albion with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JSdsS-0007eP-Ki; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 19:48:12 +0000 X-Draft-From: ("nnimap+imap.liv.ac.uk:Misc" 254) In-Reply-To: <8763wiw2sx.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:02:38 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110007 (No Gnus v0.7) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:90009 Archived-At: Chong Yidong writes: >> Dave Love's latest version of python.el requires his sym-comp library. >> This is now installed as lisp/progmodes/sym-comp.el. >> It is "Copyright (C) 2004 Dave Love". That's obviously an error -- since it contains code from lisp.el -- probably due to Emacs regressions breaking my context-dependent settings, which I didn't spot in that case. I'll fix the notice when I get a chance. >> As far as I know, he has expressed no interest in contributing this to >> Emacs, so I don't see that we can just take it and make it copyright >> FSF. Obviously it was meant to be in Emacs. It would have been, with other abstractions, if I'd got round to it when I was a maintainer. However it was rejected previously and expurgated from python.el. There's no point in using it just for Python. >> I mean, I have a blanket past and future Emacs copyright assignment, >> but that doesn't mean you can take any elisp code I happen to put on a >> website and make it copyright FSF - only those things I explicitly >> contribute. Indeed, in general, but that was a mistake. You can use the sym-comp code if it's now acceptable for some reason. It would be better if contributions weren't rejected and then either used or reimplemented by someone else years later, or broken randomly, or just left to linger in CVS for years without even accepting bug reports/fixes from people who wrote them.