From: Johannes Weiner <hannes@saeurebad.de>
To: Thomas Lord <lord@emf.net>
Cc: "Lennart Borgman \(gmail\)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>,
Emacs Devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Why @#! is not Emacs using the Recycle bin on w32?
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:36:06 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <878wueq1yx.fsf@skyscraper.fehenstaub.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48B87A2D.3050406@emf.net> (Thomas Lord's message of "Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:37:33 -0700")
Thomas Lord <lord@emf.net> writes:
> Johannes Weiner wrote:
>> It's called `delete' not `move to somewhere else'.
>>
>
> There's your problem, right there. To many people,
> "delete" *means* "move to the trash area" and
> "empty trash" means "utterly discard the contents of the
> trash".
Probably to very few Emacs users.
> Early on, when people first started making UIs,
> there was a lot of discussion about confirmation
> dialogs. For example, some naive systems would
> ask, for every file deleted, "Do you really want to
> delete this?" And as people studied UIs they realized
> that such a question, repeated too often, looses all
> meaning. So they invented trash areas ("trash cans,"
> "recycling bins," etc.). The user can then batch a whole
> bunch of deletes at once, no confirmation needed -- but
> actually recovering the disk space and/or otherwise making
> the deleted file truly gone is a separate operation entirely.
>
> It's a linguistic confusion between communities, in part.
> The other part is that the linguistic community that
> takes "delete" to mean "move to trash" -- really has little
> or no use for a "delete" command in the Emacs sense and
> so is easily unpleasantly surprised when they accidentally
> invoke such a command. "Why would the computer ever
> do *that*?!?"
First of all, you don't do that by accident. You mark the files first
and delete in batch afterwards.
Secondly, dired's interface resembles the output of an old unix command,
so I expect all operations on the listed files to be done in the same
flavor. And the documentation right now even tells me that it behaves
like `rm'!
Changing that would be like teaching `rm' about a trash can.
So if you do see a representation of files that seems alien to you, read
in the documentation of a program `rm' that doesn't tell you anything
and *then go ahead and throw into it your precious files with the
expectation that the interface would behave like all other stuff you
know while everything else of the program seems different and while
knowing in advance that you will later need these files again*...
Come on!
Hannes
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Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-08-28 22:37 Why @#! is not Emacs using the Recycle bin on w32? Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-28 23:41 ` Michael Ekstrand
2008-08-29 0:16 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-28 23:42 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-08-28 23:48 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-28 23:54 ` Jason Rumney
2008-08-29 0:06 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 5:39 ` Jason Rumney
2008-08-29 6:51 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 7:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-29 7:58 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 8:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-29 8:17 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 9:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-29 9:43 ` David House
2008-08-29 10:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-29 13:26 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-29 15:06 ` Drew Adams
2008-08-29 15:11 ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-08-29 16:28 ` Drew Adams
2008-08-29 15:39 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-29 16:32 ` Drew Adams
2008-08-29 16:43 ` David House
2008-08-29 22:12 ` René Kyllingstad
2008-08-30 0:29 ` David House
2008-08-30 0:33 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-30 1:58 ` David House
2008-08-31 2:32 ` Sean Sieger
2008-08-31 2:34 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-31 3:28 ` Sean Sieger
2008-08-29 19:58 ` Taylor Venable
2008-08-29 20:08 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 20:46 ` Taylor Venable
2008-08-29 21:00 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 21:59 ` Phil Jackson
2008-08-29 22:12 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 23:43 ` Miles Bader
2008-08-30 9:49 ` Phil Jackson
2008-08-30 10:18 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-30 10:43 ` Phil Jackson
2008-08-30 20:41 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-30 14:03 ` Taylor Venable
2008-08-30 14:11 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-30 22:32 ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-08-30 22:40 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-31 3:35 ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-08-31 3:49 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-30 23:04 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-08-31 3:37 ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-08-31 6:55 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-08-31 6:59 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-08-31 9:31 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-08-31 13:51 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-08-31 15:04 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-31 16:38 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-08-31 17:43 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-08-31 20:25 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-31 10:46 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-08-29 20:12 ` Drew Adams
2008-08-29 23:43 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-08-30 0:21 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-30 2:16 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-08-30 5:10 ` tomas
2008-08-30 21:26 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-08-31 4:53 ` tomas
2008-08-31 12:25 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-31 16:51 ` tomas
2008-08-31 20:22 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-01 4:33 ` tomas
2008-08-29 10:41 ` Jason Rumney
2008-08-29 11:35 ` martin rudalics
2008-08-29 12:16 ` David House
2008-08-29 13:22 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 13:45 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 14:00 ` Jason Rumney
2008-08-29 16:16 ` Francis Litterio
2008-08-29 9:19 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-08-29 8:16 ` David House
2008-08-29 8:18 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 8:31 ` David House
2008-08-29 8:39 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 10:01 ` Werner LEMBERG
2008-08-29 13:28 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-30 18:37 ` Werner LEMBERG
2008-08-31 12:31 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-31 19:26 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-31 21:49 ` Werner LEMBERG
2008-08-29 10:57 ` Phil Jackson
2008-08-29 14:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-29 18:37 ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-29 19:59 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-30 9:11 ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-30 12:42 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-30 13:26 ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-30 13:58 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-30 15:06 ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-30 17:23 ` René Kyllingstad
2008-08-30 20:40 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 22:37 ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-30 3:11 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-30 9:40 ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-30 10:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-30 15:03 ` Jason Rumney
2008-08-30 20:22 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-30 9:36 ` Johannes Weiner [this message]
2008-08-31 1:30 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-31 6:22 ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-29 20:24 ` Gilaras Drakeson
2008-08-29 20:56 ` Drew Adams
2008-08-29 21:05 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 21:11 ` Drew Adams
2008-08-29 21:13 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 21:20 ` Drew Adams
2008-08-29 21:54 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 22:20 ` Drew Adams
2008-08-29 22:25 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 22:17 ` René Kyllingstad
2008-08-30 3:14 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
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