From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul R Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: emacs-w3m question Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:36:01 +0100 Message-ID: <878ws1q95a.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87vdvdu4mp.fsf@literaturlatenight.de> <74160b46-e541-436a-a776-c8bd53d6cd55@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <1f28a20e-0c9f-4478-a85c-27ae40ed7fc9@v16g2000prc.googlegroups.com> <200811031125.mA3BPPZu024539@zogzog.maillard.mobi> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1225715805 22909 80.91.229.12 (3 Nov 2008 12:36:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:36:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Xah To: Xavier Maillard Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 03 13:37:47 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Kwygi-0001jG-Nj for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:37:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39690 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Kwyfb-0004nz-B6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:36:35 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KwyfF-0004ni-1j for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:36:13 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KwyfC-0004nT-Qy for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:36:11 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=39467 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KwyfC-0004nQ-M6 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:36:10 -0500 Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]:6678) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Kwyf9-0006Dr-Io; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 07:36:07 -0500 Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id l26so2456758fgb.30 for ; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:36:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:cc:subject:references :date:in-reply-to:message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=62lw/JJDYYtizeAKOSyP95v43Fg4K/c+S65Xg4yxJ6s=; b=RdgYOd9WWX/ggEyBNl5Vr7s4x7Hkbukg/MqGnp4oyaK1ICmXM1l3Bct1qx6Z6Ud3CI fjRpsZeUiMiO9tucwuRomrg4Sjf/QexR5sxiZQVRPXNFEH7fBxPEA25jAswB+0iOP4C2 yjMGK+JAyP+7P1msIUCfBEps8Cz8p0jzGIc/c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=J5zWlGTPv5DVxrKWp5Rl5G4azfiLuPKYF2ZSkfNjf93u95508EnJzFFXrivD4+glRE agSlBoPmOuwYQtBq9/1vfh0gg5NTJnsXKMQG5I6x6jE6PS7CAcsXXU2aHS3uIfrFHwa/ UTZsP1anHTnoQVaq5PSfgNR4HjXzdL6D5dPlw= Original-Received: by 10.86.26.1 with SMTP id 1mr88863fgz.75.1225715764966; Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:36:04 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from ubuT42 (pdc35-1-82-242-132-111.fbx.proxad.net [82.242.132.111]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d4sm8647650fga.5.2008.11.03.04.36.03 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 03 Nov 2008 04:36:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <200811031125.mA3BPPZu024539@zogzog.maillard.mobi> (Xavier Maillard's message of "Mon, 3 Nov 2008 12:25:25 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:59381 Archived-At: Dear Xavier, Xavier> What's more, directional keys are one of the dumbest addition Xavier> one could have thought off (in my opinion). The same apply for Xavier> numerical keypad: what are they useful for exactly ? Is it that Xavier> hard to press shift+& (for the azerty keyboard) to get a 1 ? Or Xavier> press C-b to move point left ? I do not think so. Xavier> The real reason that comes to mind is lazyness. People do not Xavier> want to (take time to) learn how to do things, they want to go Xavier> fast (even if they go fast wrongly). Keyboard (or typing more Xavier> generally) is just an example, there are so many other applying Xavier> here... This sounds sooo much like overstated elitism. You may prefer to use C-b and C-f and S-&, because you're so good and so l33t, this will never change the point : beginners don't, period. Default settings must help those people, who have not yet set their .emacs, to use and try the software and see if they like it or not. -- Paul