From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim X Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is JDEE moribund? Is Emacs a viable Java devel environment? Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:15:06 +1000 Organization: Rapt Technologies Message-ID: <878wlyoj8l.fsf@lion.rapttech.com.au> References: <917673e6-9d27-4565-90c6-af65da809b8f@r31g2000prh.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1240018851 13534 80.91.229.12 (18 Apr 2009 01:40:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 01:40:51 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 18 03:42:10 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1LuzZJ-0003XK-OS for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 03:42:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39347 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1LuzXv-0001fn-0A for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:40:43 -0400 Original-Path: news.stanford.edu!newsfeed.stanford.edu!newshub.sdsu.edu!news.astraweb.com!border2.newsrouter.astraweb.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.92 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:V9eU00UfLcl29rsM9T9dGltxhIE= Original-Lines: 57 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: fd933b40.news.astraweb.com Original-X-Trace: DXC=iAXdoNg3en9GTR`=ZX:2n5AiHYTN8o9C9=j4_RHMj2I:n[OEIE_>3 Original-Xref: news.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:168562 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:63835 Archived-At: "eefacm@gmail.com" writes: > On Apr 17, 6:15 am, Martin wrote: >> > [...] I subscribed to the jdee-users mailing list and >> > posted about my problem.  After a few days without an answer, I mailed >> > the package maintainer directly.  It's been two weeks now, and I >> > haven't gotten any response, nor have I seen any traffic at all on the >> > jdee-users list.  Does anyone still use it anymore?  If not, what >> > other options for Java development on Emacs are there? > >> http://dir.gmane.org/search.php?match=jdee > > Yeah... I looked over the archives, and the last thread was in > January, the one before that was last October, and the one before > *that* was in March of last year, thirteen months ago. > > Is that all the interest JDEE has now? I think you may need to be a bit careful judging things from how much is posted. I've noticed a growing trend in evaluating packages by how active their community is. This is at one level quite reasonable as it shows how much interest there is in the project. However, it also has a negative aspect. If a package/project has reached its targetted objectives, particularly the objectives of the person who started the project or is responsible for its maintenance and it is now in a stable state, it may not be unreasonable to see little in the way of traffic on the project it mailing lists/forums. I've got packages I've been running for nearly 10 years that have not seen any significant updates at all. The packages could be improved, but they essentially satisfy the requirements they were implemented to solve and the improvements are just minor tweaks. Looking at traffic and guaging interest in a project will give you an indication of how easily you may get assistance if required, but it may not give you any real picture of the state of the package. The only real way to do this is to install it and try it out. You may find that it meets 80% of what your looking for and you can survive without the other 20% (or maybe over time you can add that missing 20%). I do suspect interest in JDEE has declined since eclipse has become the standard for java development. When JDEE was first implemented there really wasn't anything out there that was any good and JDE provided a really good java IDE. This is often how things go. Emacs, being as extensible as it is, is often the first kid on the block to provide good support for a new technology. However, over time, other solutions, which are usually less extensible, but more targetted to a specific technology come into existence. Often these new dedicated solutions borrow ideas from the emacs solution, which to some extent can be viewed as a prototype. HTH Tim -- tcross (at) rapttech dot com dot au