From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Harry Putnam Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: the v word but not a religious salvo Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:01:57 -0500 Organization: Still searching... Message-ID: <878wfx6kdm.fsf@newsguy.com> References: <877hviak30.fsf@newsguy.com> <87ljjx77wp.fsf@newsguy.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1254290614 14895 80.91.229.12 (30 Sep 2009 06:03:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 06:03:34 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 30 08:03:27 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MssHe-0007y1-Dr for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:03:27 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50807 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MssHd-00062Y-5v for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:03:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MssGm-0005mT-Rh for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:02:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MssGi-0005h1-09 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:02:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37010 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MssGh-0005gu-Ql for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:02:27 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:47935) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MssGh-0001Ey-2f for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:02:27 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.50) id 1MssGb-0007k6-1b for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:02:21 +0200 Original-Received: from c-98-215-178-110.hsd1.in.comcast.net ([98.215.178.110]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:02:21 +0200 Original-Received: from reader by c-98-215-178-110.hsd1.in.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:02:21 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 31 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-98-215-178-110.hsd1.in.comcast.net User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:SLZxXqdYQkEpWCDwmWnveanTisw= X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:68553 Archived-At: Lennart Borgman writes: > There is a special mailing list for yasnippets. I think you are > missing something if you think it can't do more... That is extremely likely.... but then too. If after say 45 minutes browsing around the docs and I can't write at least a super simple snippet. Then its either way out of my league or the docs aren't that good. I was hoping to get some rough idea of what it could do without pounding away for a week or two... just to get started. I have found it to be the case at least fairly often, that if I can't get some tiny start going within something like an hour or so, then its going to be a total pain in the butt and hefty time sync to learn it well. Some things are worth that... like emacs and gnus, but its hard to tell in advance. I was able to make inserts but I tried to write a snippet after reading that part of the docs and couldn't even make a start after reading and tinkering for around an hour. If the vim plugin turns out to be that way too... I'll probably toss them both... and enlarge on my skeleton writing skills. It seems somewhat likely because I remember seeing when I looked at it on line that its based on textmate and so is yasnippets. After reading some of David K's pointer to autotype and Shelagh M'd encouraging comments and pointer to more skeleton info... It looks like I've been seriously under utilizing skeletons.