From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tim X Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: line-move-visual Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:26:13 +1000 Organization: Unlimited download news at news.astraweb.com Message-ID: <878w6g4pfu.fsf@rapttech.com.au> References: <089883ee-0a63-4cb4-a0ec-d2fe4e71cc03@y18g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <87wruco5yq.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87wrubfd8p.fsf@rapttech.com.au> <848w6ndwn0.fsf@cs.bham.ac.uk> <87d3vx5cku.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1291835303 29938 80.91.229.12 (8 Dec 2010 19:08:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2010 19:08:23 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 08 20:08:20 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PQPND-0007zp-4s for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 20:08:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48311 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PQPNC-0006hC-85 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Dec 2010 14:08:18 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!news.alt.net!news.astraweb.com!border1.newsrouter.astraweb.com!not-for-mail Original-Followup-To: gnu.emacs.help Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help,comp.emacs,comp.lang.lisp User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:cWvgaFcwKHwvy771D3jD7pNHumQ= Original-Lines: 27 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: ec180751.news.astraweb.com Original-X-Trace: DXC=IVH??:>UB4l^5mDXS]l4MgL?0kYOcDh@j5RIWMIBb; `eMENCm8nL]1hK\<3KT5N\]ehV6n0i`B2Fd Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:178952 comp.emacs:100044 comp.lang.lisp:289187 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:75857 Archived-At: Uday S Reddy writes: > Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >> It's far from obvious that this change (line-visual-mode being set) is a >> Bad Thing. Without it, moving around things like log files with 300 >> character lines was an utter pain. I'd suggest it was more of a pain >> than the one you're suffering, because it hit users using Emacs in its >> principal way of working, rather than in special cases in some obscure feature >> (keyboard macros). > > If line-move-visual was nil by default, would you have been able to set it to > t in order to move around the log files? > This sentiment I agree with. The default for line-move-visual should have been nil not t, especially as there are some things that still need more thought (i.e. macros) and if for no other reason, to give maintainers of other packages time to fix potentially broken code. The introduciton of this facility was in itself a good idea. How it has been introduced was not. Tim -- tcross (at) rapttech dot com dot au