From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: base Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 09:19:37 +0900 Message-ID: <878w3v7dd2.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <20100822120642.GA1794@muc.de> <87bp8uzu9d.fsf@mithlond.arda> <871v9o7dmf.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87wrrg5rzg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87r5ho5gyr.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87hbij6hib.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k4nf7ezq.fsf@catnip.gol.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1282695628 9019 80.91.229.12 (25 Aug 2010 00:20:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 00:20:28 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 25 02:20:27 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oo3j2-0003P6-AC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 02:20:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40219 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Oo3iv-0000BX-4O for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:20:13 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=41971 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Oo3in-0000BM-BK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:20:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oo3ia-0002DP-Ur for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:19:54 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:40854) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oo3ia-0002D0-Oj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:19:52 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Oo3iY-00033G-EJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 02:19:50 +0200 Original-Received: from 218.231.154.125.eo.eaccess.ne.jp ([218.231.154.125]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 02:19:50 +0200 Original-Received: from miles by 218.231.154.125.eo.eaccess.ne.jp with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 2010 02:19:50 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 17 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 218.231.154.125.eo.eaccess.ne.jp System-Type: x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu Cancel-Lock: sha1:FZ6H9lASphEvhqxCkwlh2nGbjl8= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:129183 Archived-At: Juanma Barranquero writes: >> -- this is perhaps most evident in the constant and >> continuing confusion over even basic usage of bzr on this list >> ... after how many months of Emacs using bzr...? > > IMO that's more related to imprecise documentation that bad UI. I think it's related to bzr being inconsistent, complicated, and confusing, with no simple mental model for users to latch onto, and multiple operating modes poorly stitched together (it's not really clear what bzr wants to be; sometimes it seems like its trying to be everything at once -- and, predictably, failing at all as a result). -miles -- Zeal, n. A certain nervous disorder afflicting the young and inexperienced.