From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Git mirrors Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:39:53 +0200 Message-ID: <878vojxy12.fsf@wanadoo.es> References: <871uuksdxi.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87lissh32y.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87zkh8e286.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87d3e4gttq.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ehyjrhxh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87d3e2rfte.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <878voqfiaw.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87zkh4bhho.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87y5wonpmn.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87y5wkosuh.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <877h43h8pp.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1318876810 2117 80.91.229.12 (17 Oct 2011 18:40:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 18:40:10 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes , Juanma Barranquero , "Stephen J. Turnbull" , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Vijay Lakshminarayanan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 17 20:40:05 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RFs6W-00053R-Mn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:40:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34304 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RFs6W-0002cl-2n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:40:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:55353) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RFs6S-0002cR-KH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:40:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RFs6R-0006HW-7U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:40:00 -0400 Original-Received: from impaqm1.telefonica.net ([213.4.138.17]:29283 helo=telefonica.net) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RFs6Q-0006HS-SU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:39:59 -0400 Original-Received: from IMPmailhost4.adm.correo ([10.20.102.125]) by IMPaqm1.telefonica.net with bizsmtp id ls7V1h00i2iL0W201ufw4L; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:39:56 +0200 Original-Received: from qcore ([83.45.165.175]) by IMPmailhost4.adm.correo with BIZ IMP id luft1h00m3nNm431kufuxt; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 20:39:56 +0200 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-original-sender: 981711563@telefonica.net In-Reply-To: <877h43h8pp.fsf@gmail.com> (Vijay Lakshminarayanan's message of "Mon, 17 Oct 2011 22:11:06 +0530") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 213.4.138.17 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:145273 Archived-At: Vijay Lakshminarayanan writes: > "Stephen J. Turnbull" writes: > >> > > But your analogy fails, because the problem here is not whether >> > > =C3=93scar can *adapt* to Emacs' use of bzr. =C2=A0He can, and he c= an use git >> > > (for developing Emacs) at the same time as bzr (for pushing his >> > > contributions) if he wants to. >> >=20 >> > Apparently, for =C3=93scar is a problem. >> >> Why do you keep ignoring what he writes? Yes, he *wishes* Emacs used >> git, but in this thread, he wants to know why GNU uses a policy that >> appears to him to be counterproductive in a number of ways. > > I think =C3=93scar's questions have been answered. No. > I think he has also made > it quite clear that he doesn't fully understand the goals of the GNU > project. For instance, in one post, he bemoaned the fact that GNU's > wasn't focusing on "users" even though "users" were its greatest focus. > Richard responded with, IMO, a good example comparing Skype helping > users but not helping users freedoms. And that makes cristal clear that you don't understand my questions. Those involve *always* Free vs Free software, including "GPLvX and later" vs "GPLvX and later". So the reference to Skype is just another attempt at sidetracking the questions. > Hopefully =C3=93scar understands the GNU project better with this thread. > That will be, IMO, the only good thing to come out of this huge > flamewar. Flamewar who? I made a series of questions about how GNU policies affect non-GNU *FREE* software and how that fits the Free Software cause as a whole. Because GNU is just an instrument of the FSF to promote Free Software, and that may be at odds with such policies. Some people (including you) insist on talking about unrelated issues (Skype, my-dvcs-is-better-than-yours, etc.) This is the second time that I make a question about core Free Software issues on this list. Not only is this off-topic (for which I sincerely apologize) but the result on both cases was just a gust of hot air with some mixed sulfur. Please note that I'm restraining myself from following up most messages. And no more questions. I promise.