From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lawrence Mitchell Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#10929: 24.0.94; `psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q' Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 16:58:46 +0000 Message-ID: <878vjj2b3t.fsf@gmx.li> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1330707627 21129 80.91.229.3 (2 Mar 2012 17:00:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 17:00:27 +0000 (UTC) To: 10929@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 02 18:00:25 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1S3VqC-0007sD-H0 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 18:00:24 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58790 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3VqB-0005Lr-VC for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:00:23 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60492) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vpy-0004qh-Lo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:00:20 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vpr-0003q6-3Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:00:10 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:52116) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vpq-0003px-W0 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:00:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vpr-0007G4-1i for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 12:00:03 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Lawrence Mitchell Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:00:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 10929 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.133070759327850 (code B ref -1); Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:00:03 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Mar 2012 16:59:53 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58947 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vph-0007Ez-6g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:59:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60144) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S3VpU-0007Ea-WF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:59:42 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vot-0003fL-Eu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:59:09 -0500 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]:52761) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vot-0003fH-BW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:59:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60234) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vor-0004RE-NK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:59:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vop-0003er-Ls for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:59:01 -0500 Original-Received: from plane.gmane.org ([80.91.229.3]:40340) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vop-0003ee-FM for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 11:58:59 -0500 Original-Received: from list by plane.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1S3Vol-0006Nv-5c for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:58:55 +0100 Original-Received: from e4300lm.epcc.ed.ac.uk ([129.215.63.156]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:58:55 +0100 Original-Received: from wence by e4300lm.epcc.ed.ac.uk with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 02 Mar 2012 17:58:55 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 24 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: e4300lm.epcc.ed.ac.uk User-Agent: Gnus/5.130004 (Ma Gnus v0.4) Emacs/24.0.93 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:dvvXTnblc/8oblT+DSOxPBZUxhA= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:57436 Archived-At: Drew Adams wrote: > I don't claim this is a bug - you decide. not-a-bug, as below. > emacs -Q > C-h f psetq ;; Not recognized CL symbols aren't exposed in emacs -Q without loading cl > M-x load-library cl RET > C-h f psetq ;; says it is autoloaded That's cos it is. The autoloads for cl functions/macros are in cl-loaddefs.el. When you load cl.el it loads cl-loaddefs.el autoloading additional names without loading the files immediately. Lawrence -- Lawrence Mitchell