* bug#10929: 24.0.94; `psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q'
@ 2012-03-02 16:51 Drew Adams
2012-03-02 16:58 ` Lawrence Mitchell
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2012-03-02 16:51 UTC (permalink / raw
To: 10929
I don't claim this is a bug - you decide.
emacs -Q
C-h f psetq ;; Not recognized
M-x load-library cl RET
C-h f psetq ;; says it is autoloaded
This is likely true of other such macros as well.
In GNU Emacs 24.0.94.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
of 2012-02-26 on MARVIN
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600
Configured using:
`configure --with-gcc (4.6) --no-opt --enable-checking --cflags
-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/include
-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libXpm-3.5.8/src
-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/libpng-dev_1.4.3-1/include
-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/zlib-dev_1.2.5-2/include
-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/giflib-4.1.4-1/include
-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/jpeg-6b-4/include
-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/tiff-3.8.2-1/include
-ID:/devel/emacs/libs/gnutls-3.0.9/include'
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* bug#10929: 24.0.94; `psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q'
2012-03-02 16:51 bug#10929: 24.0.94; `psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q' Drew Adams
@ 2012-03-02 16:58 ` Lawrence Mitchell
2012-03-02 17:06 ` Drew Adams
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Lawrence Mitchell @ 2012-03-02 16:58 UTC (permalink / raw
To: 10929
Drew Adams wrote:
> I don't claim this is a bug - you decide.
not-a-bug, as below.
> emacs -Q
> C-h f psetq ;; Not recognized
CL symbols aren't exposed in emacs -Q without loading cl
> M-x load-library cl RET
> C-h f psetq ;; says it is autoloaded
That's cos it is. The autoloads for cl functions/macros are in
cl-loaddefs.el. When you load cl.el it loads cl-loaddefs.el
autoloading additional names without loading the files
immediately.
Lawrence
--
Lawrence Mitchell <wence@gmx.li>
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* bug#10929: 24.0.94; `psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q'
2012-03-02 16:58 ` Lawrence Mitchell
@ 2012-03-02 17:06 ` Drew Adams
2012-05-30 18:04 ` Glenn Morris
0 siblings, 1 reply; 4+ messages in thread
From: Drew Adams @ 2012-03-02 17:06 UTC (permalink / raw
To: 'Lawrence Mitchell', 10929
> The autoloads for cl functions/macros are in
> cl-loaddefs.el. When you load cl.el it loads
> cl-loaddefs.el autoloading additional names without
> loading the files immediately.
Yes, I know all that. But thanks anyway - I probably wasn't clear enough.
My question really is, I guess, whether users should be able to get help about
such macros without first loading cl.el.
Autoloading has a couple different (but related) purposes. One of them helps
Emacs be the self-documenting editor it claims to be.
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* bug#10929: 24.0.94; `psetq' is autoloaded but not recognized in `emacs -Q'
2012-03-02 17:06 ` Drew Adams
@ 2012-05-30 18:04 ` Glenn Morris
0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: Glenn Morris @ 2012-05-30 18:04 UTC (permalink / raw
To: 10929-done
> I don't claim this is a bug - you decide.
It is not.
> Autoloading has a couple different (but related) purposes. One of them
> helps Emacs be the self-documenting editor it claims to be.
This is not what the cl autoloads are for (nor should any autoload be
used for this purpose IMO).
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