From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default for the envelope From in smtpmail.el Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2012 10:30:37 +0900 Message-ID: <878vcptfwi.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <0xwr16rzz5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83zk62c56n.fsf@gnu.org> <1usjbt9uzm.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87628pj727.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <19713425-C419-4A09-8D66-24717D761FE8@mit.edu> <2962EC94-1044-47A5-A111-F4CBACFDCA0B@mit.edu> <87obmgtaq2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <79D4B58B-FFCA-42E0-AD13-48B1C0879ADC@mit.edu> <87r4rbmp7u.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87a9x6lymj.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1346808655 25978 80.91.229.3 (5 Sep 2012 01:30:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 01:30:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: chad , "emacs-devel@gnu.org discussions" To: Nix Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 05 03:30:57 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1T94SC-00009S-TM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 05 Sep 2012 03:30:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51004 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T94S9-0004O2-R6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 21:30:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47482) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T94S7-0004Nt-C3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 21:30:48 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T94S6-0004nV-8A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 21:30:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:43008) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1T94S5-0004nK-Qc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 21:30:46 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mgmt2.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40AF9708BB; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 10:30:37 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6F66E1A3092; Wed, 5 Sep 2012 10:30:37 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <87a9x6lymj.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta32) "habanero" b0d40183ac79 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 130.158.97.224 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:153026 Archived-At: Nix writes: > Yes. As seen above, you can do it yourself, but you shouldn't need to, > not really: like gnus-posting-styles, this should be something Gnus (or > message mode) does for you. That would suck. :-) Seriously, I don't use Gnus, and I don't always use message mode. It's not like this kind of facility is Gnus-specific. Emacs should do it. This is something Python (and I suppose Perl, Ruby, et al) does pretty well. It's one thing that XEmacs was aiming for (and missed badly, in my opinion) in splitting out the packages. I understand why in practice every app has to reinvent these facilities for itself (this kind of refactoring is not amazingly fun work and all the benefit goes to third parties), but it's a shame. Steve