From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jambunathan K Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.orgmode,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A proposal (ox-html.el/ox-odt.el) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 11:53:31 +0530 Message-ID: <878v5tyw4c.fsf_-_@gmail.com> References: <87ober717z.fsf@gmail.com> <87mwu9iwcp.fsf@gmail.com> <87mwu9fiu0.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1363069456 8378 80.91.229.3 (12 Mar 2013 06:24:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:24:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, Subhan Tindall , "Stephen J. Turnbull" To: Carsten Dominik Original-X-From: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 12 07:24:37 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UFIdV-0004Si-8o for geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 07:24:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50927 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UFId8-0006Wr-ND for geo-emacs-orgmode@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:24:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:51734) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UFIcf-0005gB-Tx for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:23:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UFIcd-00083v-JX for emacs-orgmode@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:23:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com ([209.85.160.44]:36878) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UFIcd-00083o-D7; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 02:23:39 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id wz12so4648574pbc.3 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:23:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=NSnT/jTIwYv3J3MVBYPtZCD2E6kvw9eBcd9hGZ9ONOc=; b=x2qNVcpf5ciEW2X9FM5WbAD45AY79BvQEGJbXHi15gaoOLJT7a2uOumvSDzZUCt3Wm gm0I8tnej1Q6IlhDy+sOxANeYMNDirs4tot7hDyLYAeHsDmReFFQ1x/ByJ6oN2s22gmN TjSUvRGYS0JRYYqb8mIDwO5RwHbtVFXXFMheiB1XlRKBfGAU9iJuGOHHoKbm8E7m5VNL WHw1tN0ZAyM2WsMjNxoRGh7QQEvw4FSbjtgbbRB6AWtosiqu6agAJ7RlXxzWhh1ZDSdC 942zrnpt8pXAIsm8Qr93kH+TQ4QDmp5iDFxcptKsPuJRcZ9p4/vJDfipR+dBUbrL+sSl cSZQ== X-Received: by 10.68.197.4 with SMTP id iq4mr34987056pbc.96.1363069418341; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:23:38 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from debian-6.05 ([101.63.200.45]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wm3sm23615663pbc.4.2013.03.11.23.23.33 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Mar 2013 23:23:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: (Carsten Dominik's message of "Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:05:35 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.160.44 X-BeenThere: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "General discussions about Org-mode." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-orgmode-bounces+geo-emacs-orgmode=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.orgmode:68239 gmane.emacs.devel:157759 Archived-At: Carsten, Stefan and others Let me table a proposal. All parties - including me - unequivocally agree that interest of Emacs users should be kept in mind. I want to fork ox-html.el and ox-odt.el (as it stands today in Org repo) to GNU ELPA repo. I request that Emacs maintainers recognize the GNU ELPA version (maintained by me) as the authoritative official versions of these files that gets bundled with SUMO Emacs. Org maintainer can propose to merge fixes to the above files from Org "downstream" in to "upstream" Emacs GNU ELPA. I will oblige for an upstream push for most part but will exercise my own discretion on a patch by patch basis. In summary, Jambunathan +---------------+ | ox-html.el +--- push Emacs maintainer | ox-odt.el | \----- | GNU ELPA | \----- +--------------------+ | | \-->| | +---------------+ | lisp/org/ox-html.el| ^ Push | lisp/org/ox-odt.el | | | | | +--------------------+ | | Other org files | +------+---------+ /->| | | | /--- | | | Org repo | /---- | | | | /--- +--------------------+ | +-- push | | | | +----------------+ Org maintainer I have my differences with Bastien. The differences are well-known (but not well-understood) and as far as I am concerned those are ir-reconcilable. I want ox-html.el and ox-odt.el to be available to everyone (including Emacs/Org) but outside of Bastien's control. The above model requires one minor change: Users should be able to download the development versions of packages via a new GNU ELPA-dev. It seems complicated. But captures the disributed nature of Emacs development, IMO. What do you think? Consider it as a thought experiment. It will accommodate my wishes without shortchanging any users. ps: Let us set aside my copyright proposal for a while. Jambunathan K. --