From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Engster Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Abolishing ChangeLog files Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:56:54 +0100 Message-ID: <878v57g2k9.fsf@engster.org> References: <87y5d9p5td.fsf@dex.adm.naquadah.org> <87vc8dtbcb.fsf@lifelogs.com> <871ub1gmdf.fsf@engster.org> <87d2ulovd0.fsf@dex.adm.naquadah.org> <85r4j0h1ww.fsf@member.fsf.org> <85li98h1qx.fsf@member.fsf.org> <87ehf0b3x2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87obe3gaem.fsf@engster.org> <87ip4bj1ay.fsf_-_@earth.home> <20130328114414.GA3575@acm.acm> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1364471829 691 80.91.229.3 (28 Mar 2013 11:57:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:57:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 28 12:57:35 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ULBSY-0001gl-NC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:57:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56098 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ULBSA-0002pJ-ND for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 07:57:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:48715) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ULBS6-0002om-CF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 07:57:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ULBS4-0004v6-D1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 07:57:06 -0400 Original-Received: from randomsample.de ([83.169.19.17]:47526) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ULBS4-0004tn-1O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 07:57:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=randomsample.de; s=a; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=qDtKYNC3sf6cMajx4avixk8AMrljpUl2OlAI6PlSLe8=; b=FEShiaDXl7zlaxDBkx74ILEtAmmjdaMc1weELWfD8XVS77aKyCSAdonu1OmfISL09Nq3PIS5y/1GX47vwynRSXQtTCBx06d9rrmQgThVVzTtj1LUBhNqNbu9nMLG2q5p; Original-Received: from dslc-082-082-172-165.pools.arcor-ip.net ([82.82.172.165] helo=spaten) by randomsample.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ULBRv-0002Ph-JQ; Thu, 28 Mar 2013 12:56:55 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20130328114414.GA3575@acm.acm> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Thu, 28 Mar 2013 11:44:14 +0000") User-Agent: Gnus/5.130006 (Ma Gnus v0.6) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) Mail-Followup-To: Alan Mackenzie , emacs-devel@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 83.169.19.17 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:158351 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie writes: > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 09:55:29AM +0000, Christopher Schmidt wrote: >> David Engster writes: >> > The most time consuming thing is fixing ChangeLogs (we don't have any >> > in CEDET and generate them from commit logs). > >> I would like to suggest another change - how about removing ChangeLog >> files from the development repository. I think these files are >> redundant to the commit log of the vc. > >> Removing the files from the repository would clean diffs and reduce >> merge conflicts. Considering distributed vc, a project's history cannot >> be thought of as to be list of consecutive increments. > >> Distributions of Emacs could include ChangeLog files generated from the >> vc commit log, of course. > > Of course? Generating the (structured) ChangeLog from (free form) log > entrys isn't trivial. Indeed. That's why I wrote the time consuming thing is "fixing" those generated ChangeLogs, like - combining changes to the same file (and maybe function) which stretch over several commits, - removing further explanations which are fine in commit logs but not in ChangeLogs, - putting ChangeLogs entries in the right places (I have to deal with five different ChangeLogs: etc/, admin/, doc/misc, lisp/, and finally lisp/cedet), - and many more smaller things; sometimes commit logs just don't have the proper format. Much of this stuff could be automated, though. I just didn't have time yet to implement all this. Maybe we could work together with the Org people on that; while we use bzr, I guess some of the code could be shared. -David