From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Nic Ferrier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CommonLisp namespace system (was Re: adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?)) Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:45:24 +0100 Message-ID: <878v0pzltn.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> References: <874nbh2z3y.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <87y58t1cih.fsf_-_@ferrier.me.uk> <87zjt9rwh7.fsf@fleche.redhat.com> <85aa2168-3fd2-42f0-b03f-74c3bc258545@default> <87ppu516qn.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <87a9l81kvl.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <87wqobywrm.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <87siyyztg4.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1375094744 1101 80.91.229.3 (29 Jul 2013 10:45:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 10:45:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: tromey@redhat.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 29 12:45:44 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V3kxS-0005dy-3C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:45:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46925 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V3kxR-00074Z-Ov for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 06:45:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56694) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V3kxI-00071Y-II for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 06:45:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V3kxC-0007Zz-Fo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 06:45:32 -0400 Original-Received: from static.17.66.46.78.clients.your-server.de ([78.46.66.17]:51851 helo=po1.ferrier.me.uk) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V3kxC-0007Zs-AS; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 06:45:26 -0400 Original-Received: from nferrier-Dell-System-XPS-L322X (140.35.155.90.in-addr.arpa [90.155.35.140]) by po1.ferrier.me.uk (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D8E6AC011A; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 12:48:48 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from nics-xps (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nferrier-Dell-System-XPS-L322X (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BC218C28DD; Mon, 29 Jul 2013 11:45:24 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 29 Jul 2013 06:12:48 -0400") X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 78.46.66.17 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:162237 Archived-At: Richard Stallman writes: > [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider > [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, > [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. > > Ok. But all my namespace proposal is, is basically this, with automatic > 'load-read-alias'. > > The virtue of my proposal is that it does not change the meaning of > symbols, obarrays, or any built-in functions. It has no effect on any > file that doesn't use it, so it can't break anything, and if you don't > choose to use this facility, you don't need to know about it. I don't think there's anything in my proposal that causes any of those effects either. I am aiming for absolutely the same thing you are. This is why I have been saying that those asking for a CommonLisp namespace system should look to someone other than me to build it. Nic