From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jambunathan K Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: C-h r and Images Date: Mon, 02 Sep 2013 23:01:36 +0530 Message-ID: <878uzf5dvr.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87y57fe2ej.fsf@gmail.com> <831u57e089.fsf@gnu.org> <5224AEB3.5000508@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1378142975 21640 80.91.229.3 (2 Sep 2013 17:29:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 2 Sep 2013 17:29:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 02 19:29:37 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VGXwX-0004Dh-3n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 19:29:37 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41288 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGXwW-0007ve-KI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 13:29:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51962) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGXwO-0007tz-CR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 13:29:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGXwJ-0001mY-1o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 13:29:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-pa0-x22a.google.com ([2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22a]:63377) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VGXwI-0001mR-Qh; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 13:29:22 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-pa0-f42.google.com with SMTP id lj1so5446167pab.15 for ; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 10:29:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=igWI3cm4oY+0QwaVsY2Z7TSL14LEYBQNcCRFa9VMBr8=; b=ltT9G/P92DWLfpUnT3FLXZSjENCu6jdSKocaRPpwlpb0RzUegw8YXYRWUOK5bXkxmN 8kCkwKoX6MTxu2jamfgq3s7QDnoeG3XWoRjLcc/seFWSxe1935KkWwINNFujJhO9eylc GHfGouExj+QHJsV5T/Xg1yDVOlp2bP3mY7Yv3l00pauyDa8xrJO1xdYYFFGuciJZ7qua lxzI/pagcwTBU6j2N/GFrA8D3bvPJh8Fj9BgU0CwsLRISZqqlo5S4y4HfQvCgt4gjabo r8dmD3qm1UgafPivnNDNoXRmUGJKTp7rZAW3nT7bRuQy9X5+UJbG1mpmQrO1UhW839bo c6RQ== X-Received: by 10.68.244.168 with SMTP id xh8mr26493202pbc.3.1378142961592; Mon, 02 Sep 2013 10:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from porunai ([101.63.233.225]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gg10sm1080679pbc.46.1969.12.31.16.00.00 (version=TLSv1.1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 02 Sep 2013 10:29:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5224AEB3.5000508@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Mon, 02 Sep 2013 08:28:51 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163135 Archived-At: Sorry for multiple posts. I am banging my head over multiple accounts, posting styles and X-Message-SMTP-Method etc. Gnus is awesome only because I can edit my mail within Emacs. Otherwise it's just ... Paul Eggert writes: > Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> > Is it because the Info browser doesn't support it. >> Of course, it does! Try reading the GnuTLS Info manual, for example. > > I just now tried that, and it didn't work for me. > I visited (gnutls)TLS layers, and it said "[broken image]" > instead of showing an image for Figure 3.1. This is on > Fedora 19 x86-64. Works fine on Debian/Squeeze x86 and Emacs Bzr trunk. The package I installed is gnutls-doc. I can see the image just fine, if I do (info "(gnutls) TLS layers") The header says this: ,---- | GNU TLS | ******* | | This manual is last updated 2 June 2009 for version 2.8.6 of GNU TLS. | | Copyright (C) 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009 Free | Software Foundation, Inc. `---- > Furthermore, images won't work well for users My motivation for the post was the thread in help list and a recurrent confusion between a frame and a window. It is easier to show - a window - a frame - a minibuffer - a header line - a mode line with a single shot rather than explain it in Glossary. Btw, looking at Glossary for Window, I am surprised that I don't know what (q.v.) stands for. The Emacs crowd *was* scholarly and academic and it is to some extent even so today. But using things like q.v. etc and assuming that it will be understood by *lay* crowd is a bit too much for the asking... ,---- | Window | Emacs divides a frame (q.v.) into one or more windows, each of | which can display the contents of one buffer (q.v.) at any time. | *Note Screen::, for basic information on how Emacs uses the screen. | *Note Windows::, for commands to control the use of windows. Some | other editors use the term "window" for what we call a `frame' | (q.v.) in Emacs. `----