From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What are advantages and disadvantages of RMAIL and mh-rmail ? Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 20:00:11 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <878uygrfln.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> References: <5ili3zuuj0.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <878uyoua8b.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <8761tr9ofa.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87ob7iq5sf.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87hada9h6z.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87r4c9yenn.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <874n9563da.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87had5604d.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <874n95xqwh.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87siwpl1x2.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87eh89kwga.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1380391521 10263 80.91.229.3 (28 Sep 2013 18:05:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:05:21 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 28 20:05:26 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VPytR-000284-2t for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 20:05:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42196 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VPytQ-0000Rq-G4 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:05:24 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!goblin1!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 79 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: VVbyYd/iFZoeWNmD9i++cQ.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:IxQb/yxBRicSyVPtJ+0AEHMG/GM= Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:201452 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:93721 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Yes, that's called pulling rank > > You can call it what you want, the essence will not > change: this was a valid data point No. >> and especially if it doesn't relate to the issue. "20 >> years" doesn't relate to Rmail or Gnus, and nothing >> can be deducted from it, apart from, perhaps "Rmail >> is at least 20 years old". > > You are missing the point. I said I was using Rmail > for the past 20 years, and yet didn't bump into the > "single huge file" problem that you claimed was the > problem with Rmail. You misread me; I already told you that. My point was always that I wanted *one file per mail*. > But "one message per file" is not the only reasonable > way of maintaining mail archives. The alternatives > are not limited to "one huge file", they include "a > number of messages in each file". Yes, you made that fine-grained point, but that is still not what I want and that was what I meant. I don't see a huge difference between one big file, and several small files, if they still include several mails, not when it comes to my purposes. (And I never said my way was the way for anyone else.) >> This is what I meant by the T-Rex metaphor. > > That metaphor simply doesn't fly, because Rmail does > support multiple Rmail files in the same Emacs > session. I already said the metaphor might not have been crystal clear. That's why I didn't instantly blow up on you for taking those shots at me, and then pulling rank. I gave you a shot at saying, "OK, I misread you, in that case, you are not leaving Rmail because of 'broken usage'." - but you didn't, you just went on. Let me tell all of you reading this that I don't discourage anyone from using Rmail. When I first switched to it from the horrible web GUIs, that were literally destroying my hands and eyes (and, for Rmail, including the configuration I made, and the work I did on the message mode, .mailrc, etc.) - this was an *enormous* improvement, and I experienced it almost like a love affair. However, some time after that, I found Gnus and Usenet, and I use Usenet everyday, and I can't see why the mail and Usenet interface shouldn't be the same. Also, Gnus is threaded; and, I had much more luck configuring Gnus (there is a very ambitious homepage, and manual, and on gnu.emacs.gnus you can get help from the man himself). With Gnus, I can use the one-file solution that is described above, with no fuss whatsoever. Last, during my Usenet time, I learned a lot of useful tools for example to filter traffic, and those can be employed for mails as well - again, I don't see why the interface shouldn't be the same for mail and Usenet. To say that I, even in part, switched from Rmail to Gnus because I didn't know how to use Rmail, does not deserve any serious discussion. So step down, or I'll consider you a flamer that is here to fight, and not to be productive with Emacs. -- Emanuel Berg - programmer (hire me! 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