From: Emanuel Berg <embe8573@student.uu.se>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: What are advantages and disadvantages of RMAIL and mh-rmail ?
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 20:00:11 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <878uygrfln.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: mailman.3075.1380378319.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> Yes, that's called pulling rank
>
> You can call it what you want, the essence will not
> change: this was a valid data point
No.
>> and especially if it doesn't relate to the issue. "20
>> years" doesn't relate to Rmail or Gnus, and nothing
>> can be deducted from it, apart from, perhaps "Rmail
>> is at least 20 years old".
>
> You are missing the point. I said I was using Rmail
> for the past 20 years, and yet didn't bump into the
> "single huge file" problem that you claimed was the
> problem with Rmail.
You misread me; I already told you that. My point was
always that I wanted *one file per mail*.
> But "one message per file" is not the only reasonable
> way of maintaining mail archives. The alternatives
> are not limited to "one huge file", they include "a
> number of messages in each file".
Yes, you made that fine-grained point, but that is still
not what I want and that was what I meant. I don't see a
huge difference between one big file, and several small
files, if they still include several mails, not when it
comes to my purposes. (And I never said my way was the
way for anyone else.)
>> This is what I meant by the T-Rex metaphor.
>
> That metaphor simply doesn't fly, because Rmail does
> support multiple Rmail files in the same Emacs
> session.
I already said the metaphor might not have been crystal
clear. That's why I didn't instantly blow up on you for
taking those shots at me, and then pulling rank. I gave
you a shot at saying, "OK, I misread you, in that case,
you are not leaving Rmail because of 'broken usage'." -
but you didn't, you just went on.
Let me tell all of you reading this that I don't
discourage anyone from using Rmail. When I first
switched to it from the horrible web GUIs, that were
literally destroying my hands and eyes (and, for Rmail,
including the configuration I made, and the work I did
on the message mode, .mailrc, etc.) - this was an
*enormous* improvement, and I experienced it almost like
a love affair.
However, some time after that, I found Gnus and Usenet,
and I use Usenet everyday, and I can't see why the mail
and Usenet interface shouldn't be the same. Also, Gnus
is threaded; and, I had much more luck configuring Gnus
(there is a very ambitious homepage, and manual, and on
gnu.emacs.gnus you can get help from the man
himself). With Gnus, I can use the one-file solution
that is described above, with no fuss whatsoever. Last,
during my Usenet time, I learned a lot of useful tools
for example to filter traffic, and those can be employed
for mails as well - again, I don't see why the interface
shouldn't be the same for mail and Usenet.
To say that I, even in part, switched from Rmail to Gnus
because I didn't know how to use Rmail, does not deserve
any serious discussion. So step down, or I'll consider
you a flamer that is here to fight, and not to be
productive with Emacs.
--
Emanuel Berg - programmer (hire me! CV below)
computer projects: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573
internet activity: http://home.student.uu.se/embe8573
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Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-08-18 11:07 What are advantages and disadvantages of RMAIL and mh-rmail ? Don Saklad
2013-08-21 16:12 ` W. Greenhouse
[not found] ` <mailman.503.1377101598.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-22 15:49 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-09-22 20:33 ` William G. Gardella
[not found] ` <mailman.2713.1379882719.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-23 22:13 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-09-24 3:03 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-09-24 6:38 ` Glyn Millington
2013-09-24 19:37 ` James Freer
2013-09-24 6:38 ` Tassilo Horn
[not found] ` <mailman.2779.1380004725.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-24 19:01 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-09-28 0:26 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-09-28 2:12 ` W. Greenhouse
[not found] ` <mailman.3038.1380334353.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-28 3:17 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-09-28 3:54 ` W. Greenhouse
[not found] ` <mailman.3041.1380340468.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-28 4:27 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-09-28 6:17 ` W. Greenhouse
[not found] ` <mailman.3043.1380349067.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-28 8:59 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-09-28 9:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.3059.1380360406.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-28 9:40 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-09-28 11:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.3065.1380366869.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-28 11:38 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-09-28 14:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2013-09-28 18:00 ` Emanuel Berg [this message]
2013-09-28 18:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <mailman.3098.1380393985.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-28 19:14 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-09-28 20:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-09-28 14:41 ` Dale Snell
[not found] ` <mailman.3076.1380379289.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-28 18:01 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-09-28 15:28 ` W. Greenhouse
[not found] ` <mailman.3079.1380382129.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-28 18:09 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.2780.1380006069.10748.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-09-24 19:05 ` Emanuel Berg
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