From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Is Emacs very alive, active and improving? Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 22:44:21 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <878uy0lutd.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> References: <87pprkbodk.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <5d0ea74d-527c-4c19-a9d6-596bec4a4c6b@googlegroups.com> <878uy2b59p.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <9c485a2d-1e2a-4c38-b04a-db69db9b5bc2@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1381437916 29422 80.91.229.3 (10 Oct 2013 20:45:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 20:45:16 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 10 22:45:21 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VUN6n-0001ig-Bj for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 22:45:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51042 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VUN6k-0002NK-Ir for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Oct 2013 16:45:18 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news.stack.nl!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 25 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: VVbyYd/iFZoeWNmD9i++cQ.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:4GA89vmFttLbevzwAWd/DsP1qAg= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:201658 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:93927 Archived-At: Carson Chittom writes: >> Thanks for that picture. It confirms my personal >> hunchy feel that 20 years ago emacs-vi were kind of >> neck to neck; whereas today emacs is increasingly in >> the category: "Whazzat??" for young programmers. > > It's been a while (several years) since I've used > Debian, but as I recall, the vim-common package is > installed by default; whereas you have to explicitly > install Emacs. I'm not saying your "hunchy feel" is > wrong (I have no idea about that), just that you can't > get to your conclusion from the graph alone. Yeah? Debian is the only distro I used and I can't recall installing Emacs, but then again, installing with aptitude is so fast it is nothing you'd remember anyway. If Emacs isn't on Debian by default (the coolest and most classy of distros ;) then Emacs lobbyists should try to make that so. (But I have a hard time believing that's the case. If so, *why*?) -- Emanuel Berg, programmer-for-rent. CV, projects, etc at uXu underground experts united: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573