From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: participation & contribution [was: Latest changes with lisp/uni-*.el and leim/quail] Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 18:05:46 -0600 Message-ID: <878uw5o2p1.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> References: <83txew8m9v.fsf@gnu.org>> > <837gbr8uxa.fsf@gnu.org>> > > > > <87wqjqts1b.fsf@gmail.com>> <83zjom5ls5.fsf@gnu.org>> Reply-To: Karl Fogel NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385856367 30509 80.91.229.3 (1 Dec 2013 00:06:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 00:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Jambunathan K , dmoncayo@gmail.com To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 01 01:06:11 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VmuY7-00033z-6c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2013 01:06:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53625 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VmuY6-0005QF-G9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:06:10 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59237) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VmuXv-0005P9-HL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:06:08 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VmuXn-0001zc-3m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:05:59 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-ie0-x230.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c03::230]:52623) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VmuXm-0001zX-UX; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 19:05:51 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-ie0-f176.google.com with SMTP id at1so18663640iec.35 for ; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 16:05:50 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:reply-to:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=2ixWzV31D6++qKSR/m/0bLH7pKm1kgLZWPJfWmU1TL8=; b=hpd6wRTm7UFUW/pdW4g8juoNg7ExeJh9hr1/foxJtpRkaz9QbwPTms4WOwxkEx4vaQ XFQCO2OYA4sk1S0LHu0PLsaMTQzmFPl8p99H3IW0CBFolUpI2uRFXVXrTMKmuEGqZjJX Bb/pMSnl7oJ5Ya/c5KaqO0cfLsEwiFuIBV4xJkjm4SSHT4q0hTzluVCw1RiNVjntofqV jSY2EvWc0p96uIjepGH9yhdW6hddjopytDQYT09pOXld90zIL/F1yK5wSgmeahyYZtB7 +/dGe/ONSPULiLhtWZY7XGcKuaWQrSleVgKrSUOEjJjGYlwA1BarFPVanlAuMiyifj+9 bYpw== X-Received: by 10.50.57.115 with SMTP id h19mr12147333igq.2.1385856350084; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 16:05:50 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from floss.red-bean.com ([184.78.71.168]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id a17sm22805725ign.2.2013.11.30.16.05.48 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Sat, 30 Nov 2013 16:05:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 30 Nov 2013 10:41:30 -0800 (PST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c03::230 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165957 Archived-At: The thread has gone on for a long time, I realize, but Dani should be backed up here. He did nothing wrong, and shouldn't have been chastised. What he did is normal & seen in lots of projects (and we'd probably see it more often here if Emacs were more amenable to drive-by contributions in general). Dani offered a contribution into which he put the amount of effort he was prepared to put. If committing it via bzr is too much trouble for him, then it's too much trouble for him. Surely Dani is the world's greatest expert on what's worth his time and what's not. If someone here is paying him a salary to contribute to Emacs, please speak up. Jarek Czekalski wrote "If you, Dani, don't want to learn bzr, others may not want to waste time on commiting patches that are not useful to them." That's perfectly fair -- but Dani never objected to that reasoning. He (and others) objected to him being *criticized*. It's fine to choose not to commit his patch; it's not fine to flame him for having different priorities from some other developers. -K