From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Bastien Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: PROPOSAL: Move to git, now that bzr is no longer a req. Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 14:01:59 +0100 Message-ID: <878uuvx5mg.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> References: <20140102095347.6834E381D0C@snark.thyrsus.com> <87fvp6bdd9.fsf_-_@ktab.red-bean.com> <8761q1ljny.fsf@gmail.com> <20140103175006.GE17261@thyrsus.com> <87iou0t72n.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87r48oq8ya.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388840537 12349 80.91.229.3 (4 Jan 2014 13:02:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 13:02:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, Richard Stallman , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Thierry Volpiatto Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 04 14:02:23 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzQrv-00031j-DV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 14:02:23 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54376 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzQru-0003AA-UO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 08:02:22 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35495) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzQrk-00039R-At for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 08:02:20 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzQrb-0006O3-TS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 08:02:12 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-we0-x236.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c03::236]:44962) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzQrb-0006Nz-MF; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 08:02:03 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-we0-f182.google.com with SMTP id q59so14484331wes.13 for ; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 05:02:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references:user-agent:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type; bh=Hg88VcQGIKFR00uXp7VRx86dBmwe28eiRQ26XH55PsM=; b=VF3RvAGXiVCship1XtmUqklXQRgtpU4I5L08jq+5FzNwSWrO4gdkk+VHSRYf+gm0F/ P6aq+Sosw+vGtA0ulryJnZQVSIZliIpBzRso8RDIcSrxGm0Xr6GRZxoX6udSsTiP9Zrc vlta92zMg0UrMA89sljvKN/ZKhCfKBtb3To3IAtGuYiJQihXVqajIn5ezLKA6FJCH8Ga tbHGPgNiL49/4DemE55pqrOi4oqnXgShnuTzM4aZp2n/WZyHWihqXd/izwXW0x0GH8EB wFp7P0M9GBGVPrGvcEzC0c5Jk8Mjh9TLgjGIWfxjGqI2HeLFXH3+bykaiis+cbR5OWw+ byjg== X-Received: by 10.180.14.195 with SMTP id r3mr5502426wic.51.1388840522745; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 05:02:02 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from bzg.localdomain (mar75-2-81-56-68-112.fbx.proxad.net. [81.56.68.112]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d2sm7538724wik.11.2014.01.04.05.02.00 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 04 Jan 2014 05:02:01 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by bzg.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A2EEA1C2063E; Sat, 4 Jan 2014 14:01:59 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <87r48oq8ya.fsf@gmail.com> (Thierry Volpiatto's message of "Sat, 04 Jan 2014 12:31:57 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c03::236 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167278 Archived-At: Thierry Volpiatto writes: > No, I still think changelog files are unuseful when using a decent dVCS. > With git you have "git-log --grep" and "git-grep" and even > "git-log -p --grep", and "git-log" is also just _working_. This is for developers. It's nice for advanced Emacs users to be able to read Changelog files and check when a new command has been introduced. If we require users to know how to use Git for this, the audience shrinks. My point about keeping Changelogs is that they a useful read for advanced users *and* for developers who want to know how to format a correct commit message. I spend *a lot* of time educating Org's contributors on how to write a correct commit message. If we had a Changelog directly in Org, I'd spend less time, because occasional contributors would immediately spot those tiny conventions. -- Bastien