From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr] Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 00:38:06 +0100 Message-ID: <878uuexjq9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <877gact76s.fsf@gnu.org> <34c8c13b-c5c6-4e5a-9248-b09d5d1936da@default> <87eh4hkq6c.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390001952 13295 80.91.229.3 (17 Jan 2014 23:39:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 23:39:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rms@gnu.org, "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Per =?iso-8859-1?Q?Starb=E4ck?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 18 00:39:20 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W4J0R-0004WN-DK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 00:39:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40651 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4J0Q-0002Xm-Ry for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 18:39:18 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60044) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4J0N-0002Xh-VV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 18:39:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4J0M-00049C-DX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 18:39:15 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35266) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4J0M-000495-BJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 18:39:14 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42434 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4J0B-0002Ed-Sv; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 18:39:04 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 49912E0507; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 00:38:06 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: ("Per =?iso-8859-1?Q?Starb=E4ck=22's?= message of "Sat, 18 Jan 2014 00:13:50 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:168642 Archived-At: Per Starb=E4ck writes: > Richard wrote: > >> Emacs is never going to be as easy to learn as simple >> editors, because ease of learning is not its priority. >> The priority is effective editing for people willing to learn. >> We won't sacrifice that goal for ease of learning. > > I find this remark about "simple editors" interesting, not just in > terms of Emacs, but of the whole GNU system. I have always thought of > GNU Emacs as *the* editor in GNU, that is the default editor. Do you > think a GNU system ideally instead should have some other ("simple") > editor as the default editor? And that using Emacs should be an active > choice for those who are ready to learn something more powerful? This > is news to me in that case. That's like music instruments that are missing notes to make them "simpler to learn". It will always come to bite you eventually. --=20 David Kastrup