From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Robert Thorpe Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: RTF for emacs Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 23:15:47 +0100 Message-ID: <878upp5wto.fsf@robertthorpeconsulting.com> References: <87sinxr3j8.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1401056184 16882 80.91.229.3 (25 May 2014 22:16:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 May 2014 22:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 26 00:16:12 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WogiB-0006YI-T5 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 26 May 2014 00:16:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53613 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WogiB-0005Pr-CO for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 25 May 2014 18:16:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:40125) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Woghv-0005Pl-RM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 May 2014 18:16:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Woghp-0005GY-QC for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 May 2014 18:15:55 -0400 Original-Received: from outbound-smtp01.blacknight.com ([81.17.249.7]:34923) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Woghp-0005GJ-Ju for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 25 May 2014 18:15:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.blacknight.com (pemlinmail03.blacknight.ie [81.17.254.16]) by outbound-smtp01.blacknight.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16A198788 for ; Sun, 25 May 2014 22:13:36 +0000 (UTC) Original-Received: (qmail 15362 invoked from network); 25 May 2014 22:15:48 -0000 Original-Received: from unknown (HELO RTLaptop) (rt@robertthorpeconsulting.com@[109.77.171.68]) by 81.17.254.9 with ESMTPSA (DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted, authenticated); 25 May 2014 22:15:48 -0000 In-Reply-To: <87sinxr3j8.fsf@debian.uxu> (message from Emanuel Berg on Sun, 25 May 2014 22:45:15 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 81.17.249.7 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:97864 Archived-At: Emanuel Berg writes: > Robert Thorpe writes: > >> There's another type of document though, those that >> are simple, but too complex to make using plain text. > > Are you sure? Can you be more specific? I gave a few examples earlier, what about letters? What about short documents containing tables and diagram? I often write these at work to explain things to other people. What about making a document that's just a set of photos or pictures? >> I was talking about writing letters earlier. Even >> that case is tricky. Have you tried printing a >> letter containing Unicode characters? On my Xubuntu >> 12.04 system that doesn't work, they appear as escape >> codes. Unfortunately, lots of programs still don't >> treat UTF-8 correctly. > > If you are more specific, there are groups that can > help you with that in an instant. Try alt.os.linux or > debian.user (as Xubuntu is a Debian fork, way back). There may be a fix for that, it's true. There are bunch of other problems though. In Emacs if you ps-print a buffer then it comes with a huge header. If you print it normally then the margins are tiny. There's no convienent way to include images, such as scans of other documents. This stuff doesn't work well because very few people write letters using plain text. I could fix it, but it would probably break in the future for that reason. > LaTeX is not difficult and you can learn it very > fast. However, if you are stuck at work with Words all > day long it might not be an option right now, but it is > not difficult, trust me - and especially if you set up > templates (or skeletons) as has been suggested by me > and others. I'm not telling you what to do, I'm only > saying it is not difficult. I've tried to learn it. I found it difficult to learn and I found the resources on the internet poor. Almost all of them seem to assume that the user has read one of the books on the subject already. BR, Robert Thorpe