From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Feeling lost without tabs Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 04:21:41 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <878unkolvu.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <87zjg1hzvp.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1406082325 28117 80.91.229.3 (23 Jul 2014 02:25:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2014 02:25:25 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 23 04:25:20 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1X9mF5-00069w-01 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2014 04:25:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42719 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X9mF4-0000Wz-JC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2014 22:25:18 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.kjsl.com!feeder.erje.net!eu.feeder.erje.net!news.albasani.net!rt.uk.eu.org!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 51 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: SIvZRMPqRkkTHAHL6NkRuw.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:DfSreIjsYa9noeFtZVZ9bet6G8Y= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:206645 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:98919 Archived-At: Javier writes: >> I don't like your taste in keys (the function and >> arrow keys) because of the reach thing I've talked >> about many times, but cred for not only writing >> Elisp but also sharing it for everyone to see/use! > > [Shift+left/right arrows] is just analogous with the > way you move between virtual ttys in Linux: > [Alt+Left/right arrow]. In the window manager I use > [WindowsKey+arrows] to move between virtual desktops. I still don't think it is good. I have changed that for the ttys to M-j and M-l (using the Emacs notation), and set it up in X as well (by way of .xbindkeysrc) - check it out: http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573/conf/remap.inc > C-Tab and C-S-Tab are another obvious choice; they > would move between emacs frames in the same way as > you move between firefox tabs. TAB is good but your keys are bulky. TAB alone, M-TAB, and S-TAB (backtab) are good. > (setq pop-up-frames t) is for never having the frame > split in two windows. Having two windows in the same > frame is the default emacs behaviour and may be ok > for very big screens, but for a small screen with a > big font is not good. What? I restrict my use to two windows because I have very few lines and very few columns compared to modern users (27 $LINES and 72 $COLUMNS). "Normal" people with desktops with huge widescreens and minimal fonts usually have like ten windows at the same time. > In any case, all these things are a matter of > personal taste, and fortunately emacs gives a lot of > freedom to the user to configure them. No other > program out there gets even close to give the freedom > emacs gives. I don't know if it is a matter of giving freedom, but the Emacs architecture with Lisp and all, the result is what you indicate. Yes, all software should be like that... -- underground experts united