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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: POP3 password in plaintext?
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 15:15:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878ul0hqxk.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1XZJPv-0003OC-23@fencepost.gnu.org> (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 01 Oct 2014 08:54:03 -0400")

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
>
>     Transparent STARTTLS on demand would seem useless against
>     man-in-the-middle attacks.  It's just good against eavesdropping on
>     unintercepted traffic.  And you don't even need to be true
>     man-in-the-middle: you just need to be faster answering the STARTTLS
>     negotiation.
>
> Are other protocols for fetching mail better
> in security?
>
> David Caldwell <david@porkrind.org> wrote:
>
>     Modern POP/IMAP clients tend to have a checkbox or a setting to require
>     SSL/TLS when connecting. If the protocol doesn't start TLS (and isn't
>     connected to an SSL port) then it is considered a connection error. This
>     setting is configured up-front, at the same time that the user
>     configures the server name and port. In this day and age it might make
>     sense to have such a checkbox default to "on".
>
> That makes sense -- if STARTTLS in POP3 is fundamentally adequate.
> But if Kastrup is right, that isn't so.

My bet is on Kastrup not being right.  But I'd be interested to know
why.

-- 
David Kastrup



  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-01 13:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-29 20:49 POP3 password in plaintext? Richard Stallman
2014-09-30  1:46 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-09-30 13:31   ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-09-30 19:23   ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-01  4:00     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-01  5:33       ` David Kastrup
2014-10-01 12:54         ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-01 13:15           ` David Kastrup [this message]
2014-10-01 17:56         ` David Caldwell
2014-10-01  5:42       ` David Caldwell
2014-10-01 13:22       ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-10-02  1:58         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-02 17:04           ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-10-03 10:54             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-01 13:48       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-10-01 14:02         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-10-01 14:37           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-10-01 23:29           ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-09-30 14:17 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-09-30 19:25   ` Richard Stallman

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