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[184.155.90.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 66sm7572585oid.20.2014.11.10.18.08.46 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 10 Nov 2014 18:08:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 10 Nov 2014 20:38:08 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:95851 >> You can run the command `eww' with M-x ew RET >> I don't think that's particularly helpful, actually. Just distracting. > > Maybe we should only display it if the shorthand is at least > 2 chars shorter? I would think that if I was just starting off with Emacs, then some of the M-x shortcuts would look cryptic and would still be more distracting than helpful, particularly if I didn't know that the shortcut was the minimum needed to complete to the actual command name. Also, I wonder if the minimum shortcut could change if a user had more packages loaded.