From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 19:38:22 +0100 Message-ID: <878uikoc81.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <87mw72lyzs.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <20141205190925.GA5067@thyrsus.com> <20141206061019.GC14890@thyrsus.com> <87r3wdp0r5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <2e3dd70f-e3b7-4fb7-81c2-72331b5bc520@default> <87d27wofkt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <0e8bcea1-3da3-4d64-807e-d616b8f38a45@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417891151 29021 80.91.229.3 (6 Dec 2014 18:39:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2014 18:39:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 06 19:39:04 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XxKFy-00026K-Ed for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 19:39:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55212 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxKFy-0002oo-2Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:39:02 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59287) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxKFr-0002nQ-3Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:38:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxKFm-0000CR-5d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:38:55 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:52410) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxKFm-0000C7-2H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:38:50 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59584 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XxKFL-0008TI-4n; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 13:38:23 -0500 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A4B5DDF2A7; Sat, 6 Dec 2014 19:38:22 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <0e8bcea1-3da3-4d64-807e-d616b8f38a45@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 6 Dec 2014 10:00:33 -0800 (PST)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179200 Archived-At: Drew Adams writes: >> > Probably what I should do is write an Emacs command that does >> > all of that from an Info node: grab the URL to that same manual >> > node on the web. But it's so quick to get it manually that I >> > haven't bothered, so far. >> >> To make that work reliably it might be reasonable to create a >> Texinfo command to specify the "canonical" web location and have >> this converted into something in Info that the info reader can >> recognize and interpret. >> >> This should actually even be workable for the standalone Info >> reader. Of course it relies on the HTML node name generation >> being the same as the Info reader can readily guess. > > I would use such an Emacs command, if available. > > Would you like to put this in the form of an enhancement request > (`M-x report-emacs-bug')? Actually, that's ultimately more like a Texinfo enhancement. Without putting this information into the Info file, it would need to get provided manually for each of the Info manuals you want to be using that command on. > If not, I will do so, but for the additional information you offered I > can only point to what you said - I'm no expert on it. Well, I can try passing the longterm request to Texinfo and it will take some time to trickle down into both the sources of people's manuals as well as into the Info file. But if Emacs info already provides the necessary functionality for manually provided information (customization and prompt, likely), that would already be a benefit. Even though the full benefit with Texinfo help will probably take years to materialize to significant degree. So feel free to file the Emacs functionality request. -- David Kastrup