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From: phillip.lord@newcastle.ac.uk (Phillip Lord)
To: Oleh <ohwoeowho@gmail.com>
Cc: Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Clojure-like syntactic sugar for an anonymous function literal
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:53:35 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878ugtvhkw.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAA01p3oEe0JDenKRjiWrJPSvZeBSKm6h1-wLbeAAPyvkmh4mmA@mail.gmail.com> (Oleh's message of "Fri, 23 Jan 2015 11:47:15 +0100")

Oleh <ohwoeowho@gmail.com> writes:

>>> Maybe we could introduce a more limited form of reader macros.
>>> E.g. allow #<letter><sexp> and make the reader return
>>>
>>>    (funcall (cdr (assq <letter> reader-macro-alist)) <sexp>)
>>
>> Would it not be possible to have the reader return a macro which could
>> do the cdr and assq at compile time and obviate the need for funcall?
>> This would be faster. It means that changes to reader-macro-alist
>> wouldn't be reflected in code till it was re-evaled.
>>
>> My main concern with this as a proposal is that <letter> is a fairly
>> small namespace. There is a lot of possibility for pretty disasterous
>> clashes if this gets used in the wild.
>
> How about this:
>
>     #a(...) is (reader-macro-a ...)
>     #b(...) is (reader-macro-b ...)
>
>     ...
>
>     #z(...) is (reader-macro-z ...)
>
> This would be easy to implement, since this is just an extension of
> the `backquote' and `short-lambda' method to 26 reader macros.


That would work, but I don't think it's necessary -- if there is a
compile time lookup, it's just as efficient. More over, it's not
necessarily 26 macros -- if emacs is multi-byte then there are a lot of
potential macros.

It would even be possible to do

#symbol <form>

where symbol is any length, which would help to avoid the namespace
problem -- this is pretty much the expressivity of tagged literals in
Clojure. Although, my experience in Clojure is that few people use them,
because they must be namespaced so take too long to type (and for other
reasons I think).

> The core could take over some of them, and leave the rest open to the
> public.

I'd agree that single (and probably two) letter symbols would have to be
restricted to the core by convention.

Phil




  reply	other threads:[~2015-01-23 11:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-01-21 21:38 [PATCH] Clojure-like syntactic sugar for an anonymous function literal Oleh
2015-01-21 22:28 ` samer
2015-01-21 22:37   ` Oleh
2015-01-21 23:36     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-21 23:46       ` Oleh
2015-01-22  0:54         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-22  0:57           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-22  1:29 ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-22  2:21   ` Drew Adams
2015-01-22 13:35     ` Lars Brinkhoff
2015-01-22  7:20   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-01-22  8:04     ` Oleh
2015-01-22  8:16       ` David Kastrup
2015-01-22  9:07       ` Andreas Schwab
2015-01-22  9:19         ` Oleh
2015-01-22  8:52   ` René Kyllingstad
2015-01-22  9:17     ` David Kastrup
2015-01-22  9:27       ` Oleh
2015-01-22  9:38         ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-22  9:45           ` Oleh
2015-01-22  9:50             ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-22  9:52               ` Oleh
2015-01-22  9:57                 ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-22 10:05                   ` Oleh
2015-01-22 16:57                     ` Ivan Andrus
2015-01-23  0:54           ` Leo Liu
2015-01-24 23:33           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2015-01-22 10:15         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-01-22 10:20           ` David Kastrup
2015-01-22 14:21             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-01-22 14:31               ` Oleh
2015-01-23  1:03                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-01-22 10:22           ` Oleh
2015-01-22 10:32             ` David Kastrup
2015-01-22 10:40               ` Oleh
2015-01-22 10:56             ` Tassilo Horn
2015-01-22 11:03               ` Oleh
2015-01-22 14:35             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-01-22 14:44               ` Oleh
2015-01-23  1:11                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-01-22 14:48               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-23  1:17                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-01-22 11:03           ` Phillip Lord
2015-01-22  9:35       ` René Kyllingstad
2015-01-22  9:45         ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-22  9:49         ` David Kastrup
2015-01-22  9:53           ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-22 10:22         ` David Kastrup
2015-01-22 12:37   ` Artur Malabarba
2015-01-22 12:46     ` Phillip Lord
2015-01-22 12:49       ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-22 13:07         ` Oleh
2015-01-22 22:10           ` Richard Stallman
2015-01-23  9:28             ` David Kastrup
2015-01-24  1:09               ` Richard Stallman
2015-01-24  8:29                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2015-01-23 10:33             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-01-22 16:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-22 17:22   ` Oleh
2015-01-22 20:34     ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-22 23:36       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-22 23:38         ` Reader macros (Was: Re: [PATCH] Clojure-like syntactic sugar for an anonymous function literal) Daniel Colascione
2015-01-23  9:33           ` Reader macros David Kastrup
2015-01-23 11:45             ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-23 12:27               ` David Kastrup
2015-01-23 10:34         ` [PATCH] Clojure-like syntactic sugar for an anonymous function literal Phillip Lord
2015-01-23 10:47           ` Oleh
2015-01-23 11:53             ` Phillip Lord [this message]
2015-01-23 12:02               ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-23 11:50           ` Daniel Colascione
2015-01-23 13:18             ` Phillip Lord
2015-01-23 20:24           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-23 20:52             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-23 22:25               ` Phillip Lord
2015-01-23  7:44       ` Oleh
2015-01-22 23:28     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-01-22 18:30   ` Artur Malabarba
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-01-26 22:22 Barry OReilly

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