From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Marcin Borkowski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Long file names in Dired Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 23:10:20 +0200 Message-ID: <878udhgrlv.fsf@mbork.pl> References: <87sibq9v12.fsf@debian.uxu> <878udhvr0r.fsf@mbork.pl> <87zj5x28kk.fsf@gmx.us> <87618lvpf5.fsf@mbork.pl> <87vbgl25hx.fsf@gmx.us> <87a8xxgryo.fsf@mbork.pl> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429909873 15937 80.91.229.3 (24 Apr 2015 21:11:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 21:11:13 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 24 23:10:59 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YlksB-0003sI-SD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 23:10:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46521 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YlksB-0000eq-26 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:10:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59637) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ylkrp-0000ej-Rm for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:10:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ylkrm-0002u7-Mt for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:10:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([2a01:5e00:2:52::8]:60053) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ylkrm-0002tH-1R for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:10:30 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01D4572067 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 23:10:28 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.mojserwer.eu Original-Received: from mail.mojserwer.eu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.mojserwer.eu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sgvBvyAMHvXq for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 23:10:26 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: from localhost (unknown [109.232.24.146]) by mail.mojserwer.eu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AC86A572065 for ; Fri, 24 Apr 2015 23:10:25 +0200 (CEST) In-reply-to: <87a8xxgryo.fsf@mbork.pl> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a01:5e00:2:52::8 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:103985 Archived-At: On 2015-04-24, at 23:02, Marcin Borkowski wrote: > See above. Due to the idiocy of the " and " approach, even if there > were a method of declaring different languages for different fields, it > wouldn't help here. This is not about scripts, but about > e.g. hyphenation patterns (which are language-dependent), or decomposing > names into parts (which BibTeX /the program/ can't do correctly anyway, > and the format doesn't help a lot, either). Oh, and I found the discussion I wanted to link here (it's on the ConTeXt mailing list, and it shows how nontrivial the "name decomposing" thing is /even for European languages/, which many (mistakenly) consider "simple"): http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2015/080687.html Again, BibTeX (both the format and the program) just butchers non-English names, and doesn't care. (I'm not sure about the BibLaTeX+Biber combo, but I'm afraid that it's similar.) I guess it /is/ possible to overcome this with some quoting (or "bracing";-)), but still: the "First, von, Last, jr" model is just too simplistic. Best, -- Marcin Borkowski http://octd.wmi.amu.edu.pl/en/Marcin_Borkowski Faculty of Mathematics and Computer Science Adam Mickiewicz University