From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Long file names in Dired Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:20:54 +0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: <878udgh2sp.fsf@debian.uxu> References: <87sibq9v12.fsf@debian.uxu> <87618lro4x.fsf@debian.uxu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429960830 10961 80.91.229.3 (25 Apr 2015 11:20:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 11:20:30 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 25 13:20:30 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yly8H-0005Al-FX for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:20:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47937 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yly8G-0004bf-Me for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 Apr 2015 07:20:24 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!uio.no!newsfeed1.swip.net!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 88 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: feB02bRejf23rfBm51Mt7Q.user.speranza.aioe.org Original-X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.4 (gnu/linux) X-Notice: Filtered by postfilter v. 0.8.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:TS4VIWHU8epWrbBQYFgecvhTUPg= Mail-Copies-To: never Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:211711 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:103993 Archived-At: Marcin Borkowski writes: > Though I don't agree with you about the publishing > industry: authors usually suck at typography, and > they usually don't care anyway. It is just something they never did. I child can learn it. I don't know what the publishing houses do all day. Typesetting in LaTeX (or even old-school groff which is what I think O'Reilly uses) isn't easy first day but after a while you understand how it works. Then, after you get the details the way you want it is is only a matter of using 99% of the same over and over. So it should have been standardized one zillion times over by now. > The problem is that if LaTeX happens to hyphenate > the author's name, or the publisher's name, or the > title, or the university name, etc. (which is quite > possible), it should do it according to the rules > for the language of that particular field. Is that why you hate BibLaTeX? ... :J Did you consider disabling hyphenation altogether? > (Another thing - as I mentioned - is that that whole > first/von/last/jr stuff is quite English-centered. > In non-Germanic languages this is sometimes > completely irrelevant - take Russian with its > "patronimicum", which is similar to the middle name, > but is someting else (it's basically things like > "John, son of Jack, Smith). Yes. In Sweden we instead have that "incorporated" in the last name, often: Svensson, Bengtsson, ... (literally Sven's son, Bengt's son, etc., but they are just family names: the father isn't for this reason Sven and Bengt as with the Russian system). > In Polish, we don't have "von" Why - did the communists wipe out the entire Polish nobility? Alright. This is interesting, but what does it have to do with BibLaTeX? > and using "jr" is very rare, though possible, but > seems (at least to me) extremely pretentious. It can also be functional, to separate the two persons with the same name. For example, the famous American and Mexican boxers - fathers and sons: Floyd Mayweather Sr./Jr. Julio César Chávez Sr./Jr. > Or take Icelandic, where the name structure is > totally different than in other languages - many > Icelanders /don't even have/ the family name (and > they sort their names by the first name!). What does it matter what exceptional and goofy convention some people have somewhere around the world? The do have *names* on Iceland. A BibLaTeX entry has an author field. Just type the name of the the industrious Icelander there! > And there are quite a few people who /do/ care about > the references. For instance, I work for a journal, > where we (with a friend of mine) are responsible for > (among others) typesetting the papers. We sometimes > spend/waste quite a lot of time on bibliographies > (mainly because authors "don't care" - if they > actually used BibTeX and not hand-crafted, > inconsistent formatting, things would be a lot > easier for us...). I even wrote an Emacs utility > which helps transform such inconsistent pile of s##t > into proper markup. Of course references should be correct and consistent and software (including Emacs modes) should support it. I think BibLaTeX does its job and the problem (?) with lack of support for "national hyphenation" isn't anything I would ever worry about. -- underground experts united http://user.it.uu.se/~embe8573