From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: text-quoting-style Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2015 02:18:06 +0200 Message-ID: <878u8p3c8x.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <83r3mn50rz.fsf@gnu.org> <20150828172501.GB4882@acm.fritz.box> <20150829155959.GA20484@acm.fritz.box> <20150830131613.GA2724@acm.fritz.box> <20150831200149.GA2280@acm.fritz.box> <20150901130303.GC2362@acm.fritz.box> <87r3mhyiru.fsf@gnu.org> <55E638FE.70800@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1441153737 1900 80.91.229.3 (2 Sep 2015 00:28:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2015 00:28:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Bastien , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 02 02:28:56 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZWvv4-0003w1-IJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 Sep 2015 02:28:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59769 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZWvv3-000526-MF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2015 20:28:53 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50211) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZWvuT-0004XJ-5B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2015 20:28:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZWvuR-0000Zt-VQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 01 Sep 2015 20:28:17 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:55124) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZWvuQ-0000ZX-1q; Tue, 01 Sep 2015 20:28:14 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39925 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ZWvuP-0000Mw-0O; Tue, 01 Sep 2015 20:28:13 -0400 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 93ADAE327D; Wed, 2 Sep 2015 02:18:06 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <55E638FE.70800@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Tue, 1 Sep 2015 16:47:10 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.10 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:189435 Archived-At: Paul Eggert writes: > Bastien wrote: >> I see new things like the \=3D in docstrings. Will it last? > > \=3D in docstrings has been supported since Emacs 16 was released in > 1985. As the feature has lasted three decades, even the cautious can > rely on it now. You have a propensity of answering questions nobody has asked. At any rate: dak@lola:/usr/local/tmp/emacs$ git grep -c '\\\\=3D' 'master@{now}' |awk '= BEGIN{FS=3D":"};{n+=3D$NF};END{print n}' 755 dak@lola:/usr/local/tmp/emacs$ git grep -c '\\\\=3D' 'master@{1 month ago}= ' |awk 'BEGIN{FS=3D":"};{n+=3D$NF};END{print n}' 379 and I don't think anybody claims that every use of ` ' that should be preserved has been caught already. And since this affects all code including the code written in Emacs Lisp, all external packages are affected as well. For example, AUCTeX: TeX-insert-quote is an interactive compiled Lisp function in =E2=80=98t= ex.el=E2=80=99. (TeX-insert-quote FORCE) Insert the appropriate quotation marks for TeX. Inserts the value of =E2=80=98TeX-open-quote=E2=80=99 (normally =E2=80= =98=E2=80=98) or =E2=80=98TeX-close-quote=E2=80=99 (normally =E2=80=99=E2=80=99) depending on the context. If =E2=80=98Te= X-quote-after-quote=E2=80=99 is non-nil, this insertion works only after ". With prefix argument FORCE, always inserts " characters. Needless to say, this DOC string is now wrong. Who is going to fix all of ELPA? --=20 David Kastrup