From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master db828f6: Don't rely on defaults in decoding UTF-8 encoded Lisp files Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 18:09:36 +0200 Message-ID: <878u7trwlb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> References: <20150921165211.20434.28114@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <83fv27mt7r.fsf@gnu.org> <83wpvfix7i.fsf@gnu.org> <83fv23hr0z.fsf@gnu.org> <5605CB6B.4000102@cs.ucla.edu> <83twqhhf0g.fsf@gnu.org> <5606AC48.7090801@cs.ucla.edu> <83zj09fbzp.fsf@gnu.org> <5606C140.6090309@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443284468 1355 80.91.229.3 (26 Sep 2015 16:21:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 16:21:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 26 18:21:01 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZfsDV-0003rn-6L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 18:20:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54398 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZfsDU-0007Be-PQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 12:20:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48845) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZfsDQ-0007BT-Hk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 12:20:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZfsDP-0005FX-JP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 12:20:48 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:44313) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZfsDM-00052q-PL; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 12:20:44 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57941 helo=lola) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Zfs2z-0004dd-TM; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 12:10:02 -0400 Original-Received: by lola (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 229A5E22AE; Sat, 26 Sep 2015 18:09:36 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <5606C140.6090309@cs.ucla.edu> (Paul Eggert's message of "Sat, 26 Sep 2015 09:01:04 -0700") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190363 Archived-At: Paul Eggert writes: > Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> So you are, in effect, saying that it is incorrect to derive the >> default encodings from the locale's codeset? > > Yes, for Emacs developers. And come to think of it, for most Emacs > users. If the answer is "most" rather than "all", it would be absurd if Emacs developers were not to use circumstances which they are supposed to support. > Nowadays in my experience most non-ASCII text files use UTF-8, > regardless of locale. How frequent are you reading Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, and Korean texts? How relevant is your experience? -- David Kastrup